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according to the Admins at TapeCity, uTorrent 1.7x is spying on its users and reporting this info to the RIAA/MPAA. Once again, the Admins at TapeCity claim the 1.7x version of uTorrent is spying on its users and reporting the info to the RIAA/MPAA.
UTORRENT IS BANNED FROM TAPECITY AS A RESULT!!!!
Is this true? Who's the asshat here, Admin at TapeCity, or you guys for spying? WTF is up?
Last edited by PNKFLYD (2007-07-17 14:44:25)
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Admin at TapeCity
http://torrenthelp.depthstrike.com/2007 … about.html
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It's not true. If they believe otherwise, tell them to post wireshark logs. And for the record, IPs in the 239.x range are local multicast (meaning it cannot go outside your LAN) IPs, used for local peer discovery (find peers on the same LAN), which can be disabled, in case they think that's where data is being leaked to.
If you can get them to read this or post here, that'd be great.
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man now I can thinking about using other clients... since utorrent buyout I can't really trust anything here.
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The fact of the matter is, no one has produced any shred of evidence to the claims -- that's because they can't, because µTorrent isn't spying. Even still, if buying into hearsay is your kind of thing, then be our guest.
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PNKFLYD, if you had used six exclamation points, your remarks would have gone over more convincingly. But five? I'm just not buying it, you lack urgency.
And no, sorry, I cannot factor in the four you used in the body of your post. You technically used nine in all (and if they had been all in a row -- well, wow, I blush at the impact that would have had!!!!!!!!!), but separated as they were just ruined it.
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I can see it now: uTorrent sending the RIAA/MPAA info on 37,968,221 IPs every hour, and climbing by the second.
"We're gonna need a jail bigger'n Antarctica!"
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quote...I can see it now: uTorrent sending the RIAA/MPAA info on 37,968,221 IPs every hour, and climbing by the second
"We're gonna need a jail bigger'n Antarctica!"....endquote
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Is that a real number, or one you made up for the sake of conversation? In reality, that's not all that much information to log at all. It's a simple matter of data storage. They're merely logging data, not arresting people. Yet. A couple of you have some half-assed comments in what I was told was a respectful forum. My allegation was the Admins at TapCity (and its WALMS sites as well) were banning uTorrent starting with release 7.0 and each subsequent release. They have since modified this
Their claim was that uTorrent is spying, or allowing spying, in their client. I've been using it for quite some time now and have had no problems. But, I'm sorry (NOT)- I resent being spied upon BY ANYONE. I came here looking for a serious discussion regarding this claim.
Today however, the have somewhat back-tracked, and are advising agianst its use, at the end-user's discretion. I don't find this necessarily comforting....
Here is what is posted on the front page of TapeCity
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uTorrent 1.7 and newer
We have received word that the latest versions of uTorrent violates your personal privacy by sending personal information about you and the material you download to third parties.
[here was the ban, since modified with the text below]
UPDATE - July 17
We are moving this ban to a optional ban at the discretion of the end user. We have not been able to find any creditable evidence supporting the original claims. While we are still investigating these claims, we do recommend that you use the 1.6.1 version. We will make you aware of any changes in this policy if any are made.
Thank you for choosing TapeCity!
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so the ban is "relaxed". thanks for all the help, and I'll remember this forum next time I'm looking for a quality discussion regarding this product and/or its services.
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In reality, that's not all that much information to log at all. It's a simple matter of data storage. They're merely logging data, not arresting people. Yet.
Having fat hard-drives to save data isn't the issue; the issue is: how many thousands of meat-space butt-scratching homo-sapiens is it profitable to hire to pour through all the silage and, at the speed of entry-level Fingerhut temp worker typing skills, convert said mess into something over-booked local prosecutors are just going to round-file anyway?
-- The reason that thousands of "pirates" haven't been indicted every week over the last five years has nothing to do with the technical feasiblity of securing evidence against them (queue "Peer Guardian is worthless!" retorts for Devil's advocacy), and everything to do with the logistical impracticality of it...to say nothing of the political ramifications of every adult voter having half their kids in the hypothetical new jails built on every block.
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what, are you ignorant? Have you seen the size of the judgements the RIAA is demanding from alleged pirates? Have you any clue how many morons (read illegal immigrants, former WalMart/McDonalds employees, HS drop-outs) out there are willing to work for minimum wage? Are you trying to insinuate there is no program for accumulating and parsing the data they mine? Get off your mushroom Alice, let go of the pipe, reality is just around the corner. All they are looking for is an IP address and a file/torrent name. After they accumulate the data, then they will deal with quantifying the results. which will, at some indeterminate point, result in someone getting arrested for pirating music.
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Fined probably yes, arrested...probably not.
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Not even fined.
Here's the idea:
Give the world population faster internet connectivity by the year. And by the looks of this: http://www.speedtest.net/global.php and this: http://www.ams-ix.net/technical/stats/c … png=yearly it is quite a rapid development. In fact, people like Ray Kurzweil have predicted this years ago, and turned out being right: Speed doubles by the year.
So, give people fast internet, and then ask them NOT to use it.
You can't turn back this clock. You can't pretend there are options of territorial distribution, when the most important medium is a worldwide one.
And as soon as people pop up who know how to handle this, like for example mp3sparks.com or allofmp3.com, they are being accused of being smart. Trying to fight the smart ones is equal to shooting yourself in the foot once more. The world has speed, and it will look for the best options, and share them with each other worldwide.
The RIAA is guaranteed to lose the fight. It will not take long before people worldwide will realize their power through the net is much bigger than that of corporations (or the RIAA and such). You can't control it, and you can't fight it, it's too late now.
Last edited by hanssen (2007-07-19 04:32:37)
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can you explain it? i am afraid... TOP skilled users still using Azureus. Should I comeback to him? 
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That's a different message entirely
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I've read this on other sites too, it wouldnt suprise me, the MPAA etc are a bunch of money hungry idiots who are desperate to save there million dollar houses and make sure we all have to pay £6+ just to see there (usualy) crap films. The worst case, we all just leave utorrent and the makers get a reputaion as sell-outs who don't giv a toss about there users. No big loss really, its not like the only software.
Last edited by Firon (2007-07-19 15:46:34)
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funfile.org also banned it... i guess the banning keeps going up.... back to 1.6.1 
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These sites are doing bandwagon bans. They don't deserve your traffic
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Exactly. All these Level 2 private torrent sites do the bandwagon bans. A Level 4 site didn't ban it at all.
Last edited by McoreD (2007-07-19 17:41:51)
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Some Private trackers have banned Utorrent 1.7 cause it "activates" their Anti-Cheat System and then the system bans you 4ver!!!!!!!!!!!!! (I think that's enough exclamation points...)
I think it's because Utorrent sends info from the file to MPAA/RIAA and in a private tracker, I dont think the anti-cheat system would let that happen cause u got to be sign up in the tracker... those *** ** * ******!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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100% accusations
0% actual proof
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v1.7.1 corrected a MAJOR bug in v1.7 -- and that fix was released within a DAY of the discovery of the bug.
BitComet on the other hand was ignoring the private torrent flag for MONTHS due to INTENTIONAL programming, so you tell me which one is more "evil"?
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