µTorrent Plus coming this Fall

Simon100 · 2011-08-10 22:28:36

arvid wrote:

Simon100 wrote:
Only if uTorrent provides more methods of "FILE-TRANSFERRING" will I be willing to spend money on it.
Features such as http(s)/(s)ftp/emule etc... is what I think uTorrent developers should consider adding.
Would you mind expanding a bit on what you have in mind here?
It sounds like you would like uTorrent to support more different kinds of sources for file. It's not obvious exactly how this would work. We already support http as a source (as a webseed), it requires the torrent creator to specify the URL in the .torrent file though. Do you think it would be useful for us to support https for web seeds?
I can't imagine ftp or sftp would be widely used. HTTP(S) is a superior protocol with today's internet, and todays understanding of TCP.
Integrating with other file sharing networks is also not simple, technically. Many other file sharing networks use SHA1 and MD5 file hashes to find sources, in order to make that integrate with bittorrent, not only does the client need to support it, but a substantial number of torrent creators need to support such an extension as well, to include a SHA-1 and MD5 hash for each file in the .torrent file. Even if that would happen, there's no good way to verify that the .torrent file's SHA-1 and MD5 hashes are actually correct, and matches the piece hashes.
No wonder Xunlei is displacing uTorrent & Vuze/Azureus in much of Asia & parts of North America & Europe, especially the Asian communities.
My impression of what xunlei does is they cache content on their CDN, something that might be too legally challenging and also privacy infringing for BitTorrent to do.

I was not referring to webseeds but, plain http or https downloads which I currently have to use a download manager like GetRight... It would be great if uTorrent can grab a big ISO using http or https from several sourceforge mirrors or something which can clog up my connection, downloading those massive MSDN/TechNet ISOs from Microsoft.

I'm hoping for an option to create hybrid BitTorrent/ED2K files where a uTorrent seeder can share the file on BOTH networks. The collection will have a btih hash on DHT, and each individual file can have a ED2K hash associated with it on KAD. Make proprietary in the meantime, and the specs public sometime in the future if so desire for other BitTorrent Client can incorporate it.

I believe Xunlei initially was what BitComet tried to unsuccessfully do, BitTorrent/HTTP/FTP + emule plugin. The emule implementation was horrible in BitComet, Xunlei, in the early days grab alot of marketshare because it integrated everything better.

I'm hoping uTorrent can add such capabilities as to make file transfers a single stop for its users. I don't like Xunlei & BitComet because they add moneymaking-ware to their software which is a privacy concern.

Registered · 2011-08-13 12:31:38

Have read here of the utorrent plus version coming fall (autumn) 2011. When there will then be two versions a plus bloated and a free non bloated version. When you do separate them i hope they really do make a good job of the free non bloated version.

*Leaving free version named as utorrent is all that is needed for the free version name as it has always been.

*Hopping you do make the free version it basic as possible like that of v2.0.4 no bloat please. Nothing else do we need for receiving and sending data.

Bloat = skins, player, promos, and everything bloated feature added since utorrent v2.0.4 b22150 is bloat.

Sure we welcome the bug fixes and code improvements that is not bloat. The same as would be done when updating older utorrent. Just no bloat or any bloat code is ever needed, we really don't want it.

Free version = basic, stripped of all bloat that has happened since v2.0.4 b22150 i know this version i use it often am using it now.

Do this change correct should keep everyone happy for years to come. Do it wrong i guess they use older utorrent or a different torrent client instead.

jakski · 2011-08-16 00:41:35

war59312 wrote:

Ugh! So I wonder how long it will be before the free version gets left behind?
Sounds like uTorrent is set to become bloatware. Yuck!

cant leave well enough alone,,as utorrent updates or changes it versions so does my memory increase,,,,easy and lightweight is fading....so am i from this app

jakski · 2011-08-16 00:42:28

cant leave well enough alone,,as utorrent updates or changes it versions so does my memory increase,,,,easy and lightweight is fading....so am i from this app

iycgtptyarvg · 2011-08-16 12:26:03

magao wrote:

I think people (including myself) are asking for the plus features to not only be not included in the free version, but to change some of the existing features into plus versions i.e. remove them from the free version.
IMO the following features should be plus-only:
1. Apps
2. Streaming
3. Remote
4. DNA

I have to second this. Please leave anything NOT having to do with the transfer of bits out of the basic client. I'm using v1.8.5 and v2.2.1 and I don't expect to 'upgrade' to v3.x. In fact, after years of uTorrent, I've come to the point I had a couple of years ago which made me switch from Bitcomet to uTorrent : I feel the client is straying from its path and it gives me a bad feeling.

I hope you can release (and continue to release) basic versions so we don't all have to go to another torrent client.

jakski · 2011-08-16 19:00:53

time to look for another client..i was into utorrent when it just started..what a drastic change to the negative goodbye utorrent thanks for the good times...

aydin1954 · 2011-08-19 04:51:29

also prefer not to have all this new crap (sorry) but sure would love that the rss filter window would be improved making it less "modal" and adding features like search and replace, sorting, import/export.

rafi · 2011-08-19 07:10:40

So, you will be willing to buy/pay for those features ?

aydin1954 · 2011-08-19 13:55:35

rafi wrote:

So, you will be willing to buy/pay for those features ?

I think that they should be part of the basic version and needed to be there for a long time now but *shrug* if the price is reasonable why not.

rafi · 2011-08-19 21:58:51

why don't you add those features to my long list... maybe they'll have them all in next year...
http://forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?id=44903

aydin1954 · 2011-08-20 04:41:47

rafi wrote:

why don't you add those features to my long list... maybe they'll have them all in next year...
http://forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?id=44903

done

CarlosMC · 2011-08-20 09:29:56

if you really want to improve utorrent, make it a gui-less service that can dl even with no account logged on, and with public/private torrents and a per account gui - a simple local web page would do - then add a central config option for admin accounts to centrally configure all accounts and lan clients. that's what you should do. anything else you want to add, be our guests, but do it separately and voluntary, not bundled.

humb23 · 2011-08-21 18:44:39

SamePaul wrote:

Yes yes! Please, take all this bloatware crap like "apps", "streaming" to separate version. Remove it from free version, do us a favor. Torrent client should download torrents and do it best. It should not make coffee, iron socks, play your movies, convert and stream media files. Leave it to software specifically designed for that.
I just don't get it. Why everyone tries to make "universal software"? Nero once was excellent lightweight CD authoring tool. Winamp once was excellent lightweight music player. What a crap it became today.
Look around, guys! At real world. Nobody use sportcars as lorry or beat speed records on family car. Nobody uses coffee machine to heat meal. Even washing machine and dryer are separate entities, despite they look similar and take part in same process - laundering. Good sound system has separate satellites and subwoofer. Do I need bring other examples?
Do something one, but do it best.

You're absolutely right! In all the years I've been computing, I've noticed that the best software is that which is lightweight and does only one thing. I've even looked at many freeware sites and found stuff that light, does what you want it to do, and has no bloat or unwanted "features" like its commercial equivalents -- and most are real gems.

rafi · 2011-08-22 08:54:18

So, what's keeping you from continue using the free version in the future?

Ejziponken · 2011-08-22 09:34:23

I think there is already TO MUCH stuff in the basic free utorrent. Its not a (very) tiny BitTorrent client anymore and that sucks. The reason Utorrent is so popular is becuse it didnt have the extra shit, now its not that good anymore.

Instead of adding stuff, start removing them.

1. Apps
2. Streaming
3. Remote
4. DNA

Milo · 2011-08-26 13:01:20

this utorrent plus sounds interesting and i read a few of the replies people left and i don't want these 'hardcore' users to drown out the voice of the more 'average' users like myself.

when ut3 came out with all the extra features i thought they were pretty bad because i was used to the original ut2 and its interface. now I can say that i never use the 'apps' section and it just really really feels like an enormous waste of system memory (my computer not that great). i agree that an application should do 1 thing and 1 thing well but these apps are just kinda all over the place. the streaming is nice but my connection is not usually good enough for it but i think it's nice, i've enver used the remote and i think it's probably pretty useless for 95% of users, and i have no idea what dna is.

for ut+ if you can make the file conversion simple and easy as possible i think this will be a very great and useful thing for people with devices that they want media on. the trick i think is to make it intelligent and not in-your-face.i know that there are already programs out there that will convert media and send it to your devices but if utorrent can do it well and the price is low it will have the potential to make sales

Codster · 2011-08-29 14:28:19

I think they got it backwards. They should add all that bloat to the free version, keep it gone in uT+, and remove (bits from the binary, not just 'hide') the bloaty stuff that unfortunately already got in, then sell that as uT+.

They'd make more money this way, at the very least I'd buy it.

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humb23 · 2011-08-29 19:02:25

Firon wrote:

war59312 wrote:
Ugh! So I wonder how long it will be before the free version gets left behind?
Sounds like uTorrent is set to become bloatware. Yuck!
The free version won't be left behind. And well, the plus components are all provided separately from the client, so the free client wouldn't get any of this "bloat".

Will the new free version have nags to upgrade to Bloattorrent Plus? Will it have annoying ads? Can you promise it will stay as it is right now? I love the present version of µT and have no interest whatsoever in Plus. What's more, I feel that the less "features" it has, the better.

Virtual_ManPL · 2011-08-30 08:54:50

"So users will need to download µTorrent Plus in µTorrent"
funny quote from net

Firon · 2011-08-30 10:32:41

Codster wrote:

I think they got it backwards. They should add all that bloat to the free version, keep it gone in uT+, and remove (bits from the binary, not just 'hide') the bloaty stuff that unfortunately already got in, then sell that as uT+.
They'd make more money this way, at the very least I'd buy it.

We may actually make a so-called Lite version like that. It'd be an interesting experiment.

rafi · 2011-08-30 10:38:49

Just make sure you screen out all the buggy features...

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xordae · 2011-09-07 20:02:37

I'm glad there's an overwhelming response to remove 'features' and bring the client back to its roots.

Letting the free client get heavier and then releasing an up to date client with pre-1.8.5 functionality as a commercial product, that's outright nasty. You'd be basically saying "We know you don't like what we're doing. But if you want us to stop, pay us."

Not that I wanna argue that users of freeware are entitled to anything. But I wanna argue that respect goes a long way, and ideally there would be a solution that has both. 1) A 'back to the roots' minimalistic torrent client that is freeware and 2) A commercial product that expands upon this with useful features.

Hell, I'd go so far as to suggest that the freeware client should be stripped down even more. Web UI, scheduling or remote access are all useful yet the 'simple desktop' masses will be able to live without them, right? RSS is a comfort feature as well that is used quite a bit.

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yamasaki6 · 2011-09-21 20:23:51

Thanks for the update, and it is particularly interesting and have a good lot.

samboudi · 2011-09-26 18:47:37

Well, the day I'll agree to spend money on utorrent will be the day it offers proper file management.

Various file management features in uTorrent have been requested in these forums for half a decade, with most discussions ending with "too much work, not high priority". Sounds perfect for a paying version.

My primary wish in this matter would be automatic downloading/moving/reconciliation of files upon selecting/changing labels that would be preassigned to various disk locations. Certainly a case of shut up and take my money!

acmodeu · 2011-10-06 21:18:26

What the ...? I have received invitation to participate in uT plus testing but when I'm trying to register I get "Sorry! Your e-mail wasn't found in the list of alpha testers. Please come back later when invites open up to more users."

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