'Bugmenot' you don't even register or respect the rules so go back where you started ... Legumo i feel pain because you lose my consideration and you look now pathetic and obviously paranoid. I suspect you are doing illegal things ... like bugmenot users ;-) Your badly argue about Malware so don't say you trust Ludde anymore ... Obviously you know nothing about "Tiger" and Java, a technology developed by Sun Microsystems ( evil isn't it ? Sun Microsystems Sun, Inc. NASDAQ: SUNW is a vendor and headquartered on the west campus of Agnews Developmental Area in Santa Clara, California, which was formerly an asylum look @ wikipedia ;-) Even if i love free software & open source ( two different things ) i feel closed source is a respectable developper choice too. So use or use not it is your choice but don't complain ! Anyway I second all what Primus perfectly sum up before... nothing more to say ! I am voting for closing ( or at least moderating ) this thread now ... since it looks insane ;-) Btw I drop Java and Azureus long ago after being compromised ... many security flaws you know we live in a dangerous world ;-( lol Ice ;-)