Gary King Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 It would be nice to have a column that states the ratio between seeds/peers.For instance, 10 seeds and 100 peers = 0.1, since 10 / 100 = 0.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverfire Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 Winkey+Rcalc.exe [Enter]12/345=Honestly, though, I don't see how this would be that useful to anyone... A quick glance at the actual numbers of seeds and peers gives you a much better impression of the torrent than a ratio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary King Posted October 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 We already have a Ratio column (uploads/downloads, simple calculation like Share ratio). So why not a Share Ratio column like what I suggested? The columns are all OPTIONAL, FYI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverfire Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 We have a share ratio because it's actually important data, since a lot of private trackers require that users keep certain ratios. However, there are no trackers that I know of that require the swarm to keep a certain seed:peer ratio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary King Posted October 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 That doesn't mean we can't have this column. I believe it is available in Azureus, for instance, so it is not an entirely useless column. It can be left disabled by default, but at least have it available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 I think it would be useful to be able to prioritise torrents based on their seed/peer ratio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 I believe it is available in Azureus, [...] so it is not an entirely useless column.I personally wouldn't use this, but also wouldn't care if it was added. I just wanted to note that just because something is in Azureus doesn't mean it's not useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slayers Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 @Gary King. Azureus also has a graphic representation of the swarm so you can watch for hours and kill yourself to boredom. That doesn't mean uTorrent needs one too, does it?uTorrent shows the number of seeds and leechers, that's all you need to know. I don't need 1,000 different ways to understand the same thing. It clutters the interface, it steepens the learning curve, it confuses noobs.@Dominic. That is something different entirely. And you wouldn't need to see the ratio itself as long as you knew the ultimate priortity given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverfire Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 I believe it is available in Azureus, for instance, so it is not an entirely useless column.This made me spray my drink all over my keyboard through my nose when I saw it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoovious Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 Not only is a seperate column for seed/peer ratio useless, it is also redundant.You can already see your seed/peer ratio.Keep your seed column next to your peer column, with seeds on the left side, and there you have your ratio.So if a torrent shows 6(9) seeds and 27(44) peers, you have your two ratios right there.a 6:27 ratio for active connections, and an 9:44 ratio for what is available.BTW... this suggestion, bar none, is the most useless one I've seen posted yet.-- Smoovious[edited to change an unwanted smiley error] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurtlesRock Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 By your logic, Smoovius, there shouldn't be a Ratio column because that is also redundant. Put the Downloaded column next to the Uploaded column, that is your ratio. And if you think this is the most useless request, then you haven't read the rest of the forum.uTorrent already has the numbers available to it, adding a column that makes it easier to quickly glance at the seed/peer ratio is just a simple matter. Is it really that difficult to add 1 more calculation to the updateGUI function?Slayers, maybe YOU don't need to see the column. If that's the case, DON'T SHOW THE COLUMN. But some other people would like to see it, but because you don't need it, it's a useless column? That's the beauty of uTorrent. You can show as many or as few columns as you see fit. Clutters the interface? Not if you don't show it. One more column will confuse newbies who want to use uTorrent?!?! Wow, that makes no sense. If the column was never defaulted to be on, then how can it confuse a newbie? Learning curve? What learning curve? Turn this column on, turn this column off, bam! Lesson's done. Class dismissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animorc Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 Would it matter what the seed:peer ratio was?Would anyone change their upload limit according to this value?I regularly set upload limits if my upload:download ratio is low, but if the seed:peer ratio was 200:1 or 1:200, I would change the settings. These are changed automatically since the speed is much lower if this ratio would be 1:200.But why not an uploadspeed:downloadspeed ratio too? That would make just as much sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slayers Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 Slayers, maybe YOU don't need to see the column. If that's the case, DON'T SHOW THE COLUMN. But some other people would like to see it, but because you don't need it, it's a useless column? Did I say useless? Because I thought I said "It clutters the interface, it steepens the learning curve, it confuses noobs." And I stand by that reasoning everytime a redundant or rarely used stat or feature is added. "Keep it simple stupid" is a concept that works. Why do you need that info, what are you going to do with it? Unless it's actionable information there is no point other than to satisfy your controling ego.That's the beauty of uTorrent. You can show as many or as few columns as you see fit. Clutters the interface? Not if you don't show it. One more column will confuse newbies who want to use uTorrent?!?! Wow, that makes no sense. If the column was never defaulted to be on, then how can it confuse a newbie? Learning curve? What learning curve? Turn this column on, turn this column off, bam! Lesson's done. Class dismissed.I think the beauty of uTorrent is somewhere else, but never mind. Let me try to argue by exageration. Let's add 100 more optional columns. Each has a different ratio about any two numbers in the panel. How long would it take you to figure out what each one meant? And how long before you figured out if you needed it or not? And where the hell is the ETA column I accidently turned off...I'm all for stats that let you manage your torrents. I don't think this is one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph0rn Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 Winkey+Rcalc.exe [Enter]12/345=You don't need the ".exe." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huck Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 I see no use in such column. And even in such info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcorban Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 If the feature to seed based on seed/peer ratio is implemented, then there is really no reason to not show this information. One could even argue that it is even more critical to show in the program's current state so users can manually force seeding of high peer ratio torrents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurtlesRock Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 Did I say useless? Because I thought I said "It clutters the interface, it steepens the learning curve, it confuses noobs."Well, you inferred it. By sayinguTorrent shows the number of seeds and leechers, that's all you need to know. I don't need 1,000 different ways to understand the same thing.you are basically saying that it's useless to have the column.I think the beauty of uTorrent is somewhere else, but never mind. Let me try to argue by exageration. Let's add 100 more optional columns. Each has a different ratio about any two numbers in the panel. How long would it take you to figure out what each one meant? And how long before you figured out if you needed it or not? And where the hell is the ETA column I accidently turned off...Well, I'd hope that we wouldn't have 100 more columns, but who cares? Why would you take the time to figure out what each column did if the columns that are already showing give you all the information you need? When I try a new program, I don't take the time to test out each option, each checkbox, each parameter because I don't care about that. If it works for me, with the options that I've chosen, then that's all I care about. As far as Dominic's suggestion as to why he'd feel this column was good, why would you not want to see the ratio? You'd rather a program just automatically prioritized something based on something you can't see? What if you forgot that you prioritzed it based on seed/peer ratio. Now, uTorrent is behaving in a manner that doesn't seem quite right, so you'd call it a bug, only to be told that it's not, it's based on a ratio that you can't see, but that you said should be used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slayers Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Well, you inferred it. By sayinguTorrent shows the number of seeds and leechers, that's all you need to know. I don't need 1,000 different ways to understand the same thing.you are basically saying that it's useless to have the column.I'm basically saying it's redundant But let's not get into semantics, right?Well, I'd hope that we wouldn't have 100 more columns, but who cares? Why would you take the time to figure out what each column did if the columns that are already showing give you all the information you need? When I try a new program, I don't take the time to test out each option, each checkbox, each parameter because I don't care about that. If it works for me, with the options that I've chosen, then that's all I care about. Take a look at the troubleshooting section and guess what you have to do when things aren't working... Oh yeah, dig into the settings and figure out "each option, each checkbox, each parameter" and let's not forget, each stat.But enough trying to make my point clear. You haven't even hinted as to why this stat is useful. How are you going to use it to better manage your torrents? That's all I want to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurtlesRock Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Who said I was going to use it? I couldn't care less about this column, I was just fighting for the underdog. But anyways, Jigpu stated that he'd use this concept to help prioritize the torrents with fewer seeders, so the seed/peer ratio would make a 5/20 torrent a higher priority than a 5/10 torrent. Same concept on a 5/20 torrent and a 100/30 torrent.Why would that be a bad thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ojec Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 I recently moved from Azureus to µTorrent, and the seed/peer ratio column is the only feature I miss. It is extremely useful to order torrents according to this ratio, as this is what determines each torrent's relative need for my seeding. Of course you mentally can devide the seeds by the peers, but the point is to allow the torrents to be reordered based on this calculation. For those of us who care about seeding where it is needed most, this column would be invaluable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans5849 Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 I think it would be useful to be able to prioritise torrents based on their seed/peer ratio.That is a very good point, if a torrent has a lower ratio i will want to download it first to make sure i get all the files before it dies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilolee Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 As somebody who switched to uTorrent from Azureus last night this is the feature which I miss most.I have about 100 potentially active torrents in my list and having this would make it easier for me to see who/how to prioritize to as most of my ratios are now 0.Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Switeck Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 I have about 100 potentially active torrents in my listHow can you possibly upload even 1 KB/sec to a fraction of them all? 1+ megabit upload connection? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 Lots of people got 10mbit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilolee Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 I have about 100 potentially active torrents in my listHow can you possibly upload even 1 KB/sec to a fraction of them all? 1+ megabit upload connection?Exactly, that's my point. I said potentially.So I want an easy way to see what torrents to stop seeding and those to keep going.Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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