HoochieMamma Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 Can't the devs implement BOTH (AZ DHT & Mainline DHT) sooner or later? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1c3d0g Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 There's no need to implement Azureus' version of DHT if Azureus is going to switch to Mainline's version anyway. At least that's how I understand it... :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoochieMamma Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 And after i learned the az dev team are going to implement the mainline method in their client aswell, there's no reason what so ever to implement the az-only one.^ Doesn't that mean they will be using Mainline & their own at the same time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 Well, even if that were the case, it doesn't make a difference. Azureus DHT is advantageous mostly because of the sheer number of Azureus users in the first place that add up to the 700,000 users on the network. If they were to implement the mainline DHT, then everyone using mainline DHT would still be able to connect to this wealth of peers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiteShdw Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 It seems that the implementation is pretty difficult (i.e. no documentation, reverse engineering, etc). It seems that it could take a lot of time for the devs to get BOTH versions of DHT working. I think it would be best if Azureus would just start using the mainline version and everything would be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkman Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 The Azureus implementation is a lot more flexible, has more users, and in my experience has much less overhead bandwidth than the mainline's. I'm sure they perform similarly well for torrents tracking, however, buy I do wish that the Az DHT had been implemented before the mainline one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xilon Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 How is it more flexible and are you sure it has less overhead? I think some tests in terms of efficiency are in order. If Azureus implements the mainline DHT standard (obviously for compatibility reasons) then I don't really see why uTorrent should implement Azureus's DHT if it's the same or worse than the mainline implementation. If on the other hand Azureus's is more efficient in some way I think it might be worth using Azureus's version at least till the mainline somehow improves. From what I gather though, the Azureus implementation doesn't have much documentation either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaosblade Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 When Azureus implements the mainline method aswell, It doesnt matter since you would be able to all of AZ's userbase without their specials method. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 @bkman: If I'm not mistaken, Azureus did implement DHT before the mainline client (Bram subsequently released his version in the same month, IIRC)@chaosblade: Yep, exactly as I said above =P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkman Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 @bkman: If I'm not mistaken, Azureus did implement DHT before the mainline client (Bram subsequently released his version in the same month, IIRC)Yep, that is true, but I meant that I wish it were being implemented in utorrent before the mainline one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charnobo Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 I am not aware of any plans for azureus to implement/switch to mainline DHT so going for azureus DHT would give more DHT-userscurrent DHT-user number for me is a little above 800 000 in azureus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankmin Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 How do you get that number? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 Mainline doesn't really use DHT in the way BitComet and Azureus do. It only uses it for trackerless torrents, not as a backup when the tracker is inacessible. So essentially, you're only gonna get BitComet peers (and uTorrent users of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charnobo Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 How do you get that number?I get it by looking at the bottom on azureus windowthat number is not a complete accurate number, but is calculated using some DHT-algorytms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GravityFX Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 I have never used DHT yet, lol. But I hear it is good feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReP0 Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 Even if azureus implements mainline dht it doesn't mean that they won'tl try to negotiate their own first and if that fails fall back to mainline with incompatible clients. Sounds fine but if they develop and expand their own dht implementation to be far superior we are going to miss out and I for one have more faith in their drive to get this protocol working as we users want than the mainline guys. It's the way I'd develop if I was on azureus in order to build differentiation and attract more users and it's been done many times before even in commerical protocols. It's all speculation on my behalf but I hope everyone can see that just because they implement mainline dht doesn't mean that feature parity wrt dht will be maintianed between mainline and their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackice Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 good to hear that DHT is coming along so well. If we can get an implementation (AZ or mainline) soon, we'd have a brilliant torrent app!But for me, i'm not switching back till 1.1.8 fixes the key issue. I can't connect to any of my trackers without it! (Basically making utorrent do nothing), and I don't want to manually add it every time. BitTornado seems to be going very smoothly at faster speeds than utorrent, but the lack of DHT is annoying.Come on guys! roll out 1.1.8 and good luck on DHT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdArmor Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 How do you get that number?Heis reading the Distributed Database Number at the bottom of the Azureus client. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesyboofs Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 http://cs.gmu.edu/~sqchen/courses/CS699-803F05/lectures/TrackerlessBitTorrent.pdfMaybe usefull to someone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdArmor Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 The new DHT feature is coming along nicely I guess. They were talking with ludde on IRC and DHT is up and working apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twizttid13 Posted November 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 The new DHT feature is coming along nicely I guess. They were talking with ludde on IRC and DHT is up and working apparently.woot!! now all we need is a release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oliversl Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 can't believe there is no documentation for DHT protocol, its really sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Be patient and you'll get a new release soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdArmor Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 My guess is about another week until 1.1.8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaunwang Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 wow that's cool man just started using and DHT would be support way to go utorrentnice work of ludde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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