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utorrent = 5kB/sec. Azureus = 60kB/sec on same torrent!

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Watch. I'll connect to 50 peers running Azureus on dialup, and 50 peers running Mainline on i2 campuses. I wonder how that one's gonna turn out. It's a matter of the peers' internet connection. That's what matters the most.

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so i keep hearing that argument time after time "its not the client its the peers you connect to!!" as if peers have nothing to do with the client. If client A consistently gets faster speeds then client B OBVIOUSLY client A is faster. The peers you connect to are directly related to the client.

You got it all wrong. If your settings are not properly configured, of course you'll never get faster speeds...but this B.S. of "if client X is faster, then client Y must be faulty" must stop. Why do I say that? Because all of us who have optimized our settings are enjoying µTorrent at full speed. So obviously it's not the client alone, but how you configure it that determines your speed. :)

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You got it all wrong. If your settings are not properly configured, of course you'll never get faster speeds...but this B.S. of "if client X is faster, then client Y must be faulty" must stop. Why do I say that? Because all of us who have optimized our settings are enjoying µTorrent at full speed. So obviously it's not the client alone, but how you configure it that determines your speed. :)

Yes I know the settings may be suboptimal but then one has to question why have them set like that. Simple answer I guess is a bad guess at what the average PC/network capability is and its being refined over time, quite understandable.

Yes you can't get everyones PC optimal (well you can but that requires another optimisation module) but you have to take a guess at what the average PC out there is and tune to it so that users don't need to know how the protocol works or the internals of the implementation to get the best speeds. So in essence it is the clients (utorrent) fault because of the bad choice of defaults requiring the exposure of the user to the implementation/protocol specifics but there is a workaround, ie you tweak the settings assuming you have the experience/knowledge. I know this is freeware but I like I said from the beginning, if we can get better default values then we should have them so that newbs get a good out of box experience and threads like this become a thing of the past.

I would assume vurlix and any others coding utorrent will see it as a fault (albeit minor in their eyes) in the client because as every software developer knows the straight out of box experience with minimimal configuration knowledge is what leads to a happy user.

Sounds like that is happening so it's all good.

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I was trying out utorrent and set it to dl a torrent (2mbit adsl). I noticed hours later it was crawling along at 5kB/s. so I closed utorrent and set the torrent to continue in azureus. It immideatly began running at approx 60k/sec. So I for won't be using utorrent and will revert to azureus. dunno why there was this clear difference but 1/10th speed is not good.

thats ok.. you can go back to your noob client. one less noob down, we don't need noobs all over utorrent anyways. although utorrent isnt a very difficult client anyways.

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Twisttid13, U just acted like a 13 yr old.

We are not on a mission like Hitler to exterminate everyone who doesnt use Utorrent. Its his wish and preference and that does not make him a noob.

Everyone basically can see who the real noob is from ur comments.

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you can go back to your noob client.

I fail to see how wanting to use features that greatly enhance torrent speed and reliability, such as DHT and peer exchange, along with a complete implementation of seeding priorities, disk cache, ip filtering and plugins makes anyone a "noob".

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Twisttid13, U just acted like a 13 yr old.

We are not on a mission like Hitler to exterminate everyone who doesnt use Utorrent. Its his wish and preference and that does not make him a noob.

Everyone basically can see who the real noob is from ur comments.

i didn't say he had to use utorrent, i am actually glad he isn't, its basiclly what i said.

Edit: oh and nice name too...deapdfsaal

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^^lol!!

@dcorban:

Actually, If u take away all of Az's many extra features, I think Az default settings are better for noobs tha uT's. Especially in the advanced options. Plus the auto connection optimizer that Az has fills in settings automatically where in uT we have to set em ourselves. Now if twizttid13 meant that, than Az is a client more for noobs than uT. I think thats why in later versions, the default settings are gonna be different in uT. uT actually made me wanna go back and mess around with Az's advanced options, just to see some things.

(then again, I might be giving twizttid13 too much credit......:P. But hey, I always give folks the benefit of the doubt. He will let me know if Im right or wrong real soon......)

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^^lol!!

@dcorban:

Actually, If u take away all of Az's many extra features, I think Az default settings are better for noobs tha uT's. Especially in the advanced options. Plus the auto connection optimizer that Az has fills in settings automatically where in uT we have to set em ourselves. Now if twizttid13 meant that, than Az is a client more for noobs than uT. I think thats why in later versions, the default settings are gonna be different in uT. uT actually made me wanna go back and mess around with Az's advanced options, just to see some things.

(then again, I might be giving twizttid13 too much credit......:P. But hey, I always give folks the benefit of the doubt. He will let me know if Im right or wrong real soon......)

What's the fun in using a client without tweaking it though? ;)

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Might I suggest as a precaution to compose your posts in a civil manner rather than resort to using net-slang (ie. 'noob')? Yes, there are clients that is more suitable to those new to the BitTorrent thing. But that doesn't mean the person is not a fast learner. The individual only stated trying out uTorrent and was unsatisfied. So as a result this individual reverted back to the previous client which s/he is more comfortable using. This in itself shouldn't warrant any kind of criticisms on the person's action. What's done is done and let the person do what they wish and use what they prefer using as their BitTorrent client of choice.

Be aware that even though Azureus has many features, some are too attached to the client to be pried away from it. Respect people's opinions and preferences where they stand and don't force them to use something else. Only advise them and provide incentives that'll enlighten their curiosity.

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Hi The reason I posted originally was because the difference was so dramatic. I do know azureus inside out and did play with all the settings, many eons ago and have in fact over 2-3 years tried probably 15 different BT clients. My only gripe against azureus is it's resource hunger. Otherwise it is the easily the best BT client due to the interface IMAO. I dunno why the gimp was referring to azureus as a noob app, it's more complex than ANY other client I have ever tried and I tried them all. That said I haven't checked any new clients out for at least a year as once I settled with Azureus I had no need.

The reason I originally posted was because the difference was SO, SO different, a factor of 1,000% different. The utorrent file was downloading for at least 8 hours (1.5gb file) at approx 5k/sec. I did check thru all the utorrent settings and tweaked them a bit when I first used it to match my az settings. Thinking this was weird given it had an approx 25/25 seed/leech base. I closed Utorrent, moved the file and torrent (renamed obviously so it would get picked up again) into my 'download\azureus' folder, started up azureus and within a few mins it was clocking 60k/sec. Given that it was only a few mins between the two apps running I found this convincing for me. I could have simply copied the torrent file and run them both or even each app simultaneuosly on a diff pc for more conclusive proof, but I wasn't interested enough. Maybe someone here should try it. set the 4 same torrents going on each client, say approx 4gb transfer per client and let battle commence. I agree there could have been mitigating circumstances but I rarely/never get torrents running at 5k/sec as it is, which aroused my suspicions.

I like the way utorrent has been inspired by the azureus UI, and some things (eg tabbed torrent info at bottom) are better, BUT I'm not sure if it had ALL the features I am used to (eg does it support safepeer). I think the azureus auto seeding rules bit is total BS, I did understand it once but it's way too complex.

At the end of the day these are just advanced file downloaders I fail to understand why they nned to end up so complicated. A 'main prefs section' which duplicates the 5 or 6 MAIN prefs you need from all the other preference sections ie upload/download speed, num simul downloads/active torrents. I also wish you could enter a second version of these 4 settings called 'throttle settings' accessable from the tray icon menu instead of just pause or stop all transfers as in Azureus now. This should change the tray icon to indicate it is throttled. A release value in mins (say 30) within these throttle settings after which the throttle is released would be handy in case you forget. That said with the faster connections we have nowadays this is not the problem it used to be years ago when you couldnt surf at all when you were maxing out at 50k on your 512 adsl, so you stopped Azureus to surf a bit,and forgot to restart it til next day when you thought your torrent would've completed - doh! doh! doh!!!

yer well good luck, what I was hoping for in utorrent as an Azureus alternative was a much simplified program in terms of setup but with a similar feature set and much lower resources. I think the Azureus UI is one of the best, most logical UI's i have seen implemented in ANY program. It's a f*****g work of art!

For utorrent to take off I'd try to emulate the best azureus features but simplify and debloat the UI and options as much as is humanly possible. Set it up so your granny can use it, then you could carve a niche. I think the coder who naturally knows what settings are best should just set them that way and only allow a user to tweak stuff they really, truly need to personalise, prolly a max of 10 settings, my toaster only has 1 setting and has made 1,000's of slices and never crashes (it has 2 actually but I never use the other setting!) It's a p2p app not a stock exchange analyser, it simply doesn't need many settings, if any!

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I was trying out utorrent and set it to dl a torrent (2mbit adsl). I noticed hours later it was crawling along at 5kB/s. so I closed utorrent and set the torrent to continue in azureus. It immideatly began running at approx 60k/sec. So I for won't be using utorrent and will revert to azureus. dunno why there was this clear difference but 1/10th speed is not good.

On my 256kbps adsl i´m running at 32kB/s, after enabling inbound connection. Check this out.

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Twisttid13' date=' U just acted like a 13 yr old.

We are not on a mission like Hitler to exterminate everyone who doesnt use Utorrent. Its his wish and preference and that does not make him a noob.

Everyone basically can see who the real noob is from ur comments.[/quote']

i didn't say he had to use utorrent, i am actually glad he isn't, its basiclly what i said.

Edit: oh and nice name too...deapdfsaal

yeah, because 'twizttid' isn't fucking stupid at all.. what a 'badass' you are mr twizztid

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