shadow_lmd Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 So, why not to distribute binary without any problems related to packers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Because neither UPX nor PECompact caused any problems, so the devs continued to use PECompact. When I say problems, I'm referring to stability issues, not paranoid antivirus software problems. Those nothing can be done about until the antivirus companies clean up their act and realize that not every executable under the sun is malware-infested just because it is packed. And it's not as if µTorrent itself is/contains malware, so the warnings can easily be ignored.For further proof that it's just the antivirus software being stupid, you'll notice that in the previously posted VirusTotal screenshot of RC3, the worst result was "suspicious," and the most detailed of those revealed that it was simply basing the warning on the a generic rule -- Win32.ModifiedUPX.gen!84. What a worthless heuristics rule; all it does is make it appear to the user that the antivirus is doing something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadow_lmd Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 I don't care about antivirus software. I just don't like the way exe packers work. They stop OS from ability to free memory (swap) without actually using swap file. Because executable is uncompressed directly to memory, OS can only push this memory to swap file instead of just freeing it and then re-reading file contents when needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 http://download.utorrent.com/1.7/utorrent-1.7-rc4.exe--- 2007-07-05: Version 1.7 (build 3170)- Change: Tweaks to XML parser- Change: HTTP client now tries to acquire more data per request- Change: improved statusbar text for local bandwidth- Change: speed up delete .torrent and/or data a bit (parallelize tracker and disk ops)Translations and strings for translation are not yet available, and this build isn't up on auto-update. Reason? Firon is away for now, and will be back in a few days. Please continue to have patience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saribro Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 No OS has the "ability" you describe, and we're talking 500k of .exe anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafi Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 just remembered that a very old bug - is still here. may be it's time to clean this up too ... : the tray-balloon notification does not work on Win98 ... ;P#2:log message :[07:29:55] 67.167.0.142 : [µTorrent/1.6.1.0]: Handshake completedare displayed when "log error" is enabled. seems to me those are not errors ?! but... can be log into the verbose item .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alawbc Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 http://download.utorrent.com/1.7/utorrent-1.7-rc4.exe--- 2007-07-05: Version 1.7 (build 3170)- Change: Tweaks to XML parser- Change: HTTP client now tries to acquire more data per request- Change: improved statusbar text for local bandwidth- Change: speed up delete .torrent and/or data a bit (parallelize tracker and disk ops)Last edited by Ultima (Today 12:53:20)build no. is 3166 instead of 3170 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Good point. The link is now fixed.For the curious, the only difference between 3166 and 3170 was this change:- Change: speed up delete .torrent and/or data a bit (parallelize tracker and disk ops) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roytam1 Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Because neither UPX nor PECompact caused any problems, so the devs continued to use PECompact. When I say problems, I'm referring to stability issues, not paranoid antivirus software problems. Those nothing can be done about until the antivirus companies clean up their act and realize that not every executable under the sun is malware-infested just because it is packed. And it's not as if µTorrent itself is/contains malware, so the warnings can easily be ignored.For further proof that it's just the antivirus software being stupid, you'll notice that in the previously posted VirusTotal screenshot of RC3, the worst result was "suspicious," and the most detailed of those revealed that it was simply basing the warning on the a generic rule -- Win32.ModifiedUPX.gen!84. What a worthless heuristics rule; all it does is make it appear to the user that the antivirus is doing something.but switching from PECompact to UPX takes advantage of high speed of decompressing program image and resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketrel Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 On second thought I'll post this in the support forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pihug12 Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 - Change: Show the local bandwidth in the status bar and in the speed graph (the latter in purple and blue)I know you spoke about this problem a long time but I don't understand all what you said (I'm french user).I have three computers at home and only mine uses µTorrent. So, why I have blue and purple lines on the graph ?pihug12 :cool:[PS : It seems there is no problem with RC4 and Kaspersky AV (there was four updates of definitions since I noticed the problem).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borisz Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Here's a feature suggestion for future versions: ability to set up download uptions (download folder, label, speed limits) per tracker. That's one thing I'm really missing in utorrent. It's still the best client out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ior Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Here's a feature suggestion for future versions: ability to set up download uptions (download folder, label, speed limits) per tracker. That's one thing I'm really missing in utorrent. It's still the best client out there.Feature Requests Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Don't bother making a new request thread for that. It's already been requested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadow_lmd Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 2Ultima:No OS has the "ability" you describe, and we're talking 500k of .exe anyway.Every NT based OS have this ability. And if this .exe is 500k, why do you ever need to pack it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khagaroth Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 <munched by admin, we don't support or endorse such builds> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saribro Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 And if this .exe is 500k, why do you ever need to pack it?Think hostingfees. Half the needed quota means much money saved. And I presume some code-protection motives are in play too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadow_lmd Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Well, 7-zip has much better compression even with sfx module. I also don't mind UPX, because it's uncompressable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funchords Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 http://download.utorrent.com/1.7/utorrent-1.7-rc4.exe--- 2007-07-05: Version 1.7 (build 3170)I have auto-update for betas turned on ... yet I'm still not getting prompted to update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5618 Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 For the same reason why it's not on the download page yet. The guy doing these changes is away for a few days, so until he gets back you will unfortunately (probably) not see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyrmchild Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 No OS has the "ability" you describe' date=' and we're talking 500k of .exe anyway.[/quote']Every NT based OS have this ability. And if this .exe is 500k, why do you ever need to pack it?The only thing that executable compression prevents is for multiple processes of the same app from sharing parts of the memory (program _code_ and (static) const data only, afaik). So there's nothing really lost with uTorrent since you're always running only one instance of it. And the O/S is as capable of swapping "unused" parts of the program out of RAM (to swap) as with unpacked executables. So, in the end, the only thing you'd gain from having unpacked exe is the start-up speed (because there'd be no decompression needed).Edit: Plase note, the same thing happens if you use NTFS's file compression on an executable or DLL. I have to agree with the why part though. I like regular unpacked executables much more, even though there's usually nothing gained from having them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PROXIMO Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 still not enough free space in the status bar in build 3170and why there is always a difference in the speed of the torrent itself & status bar , as if they have different refresh time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 The difference comes from the speed averaging. As for the lack of space... yeah, I imagined that would happen. It still needs to be widened, it seems :\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Seed Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 I have auto-update for betas turned on ... yet I'm still not getting prompted to update.I have the same question. I had to update manually for both RC3 and RC4 (I don't remember about previous RC). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 Right, I really should've noted that in the release post. Firon is away at the moment, and he's the one who normally does the auto-update stuff. Until he returns, the auto-update server likely won't get updated. He won't be gone for too much longer anyhow. Regardless, I've said before that when auto-updates aren't pushed to the user, then it's known/intentional, and that it doesn't need to be reported. Thanks for the concern, though Edit: Post updated... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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