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why am i getting banned?


tribepride

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Okay I guess i need to start with the disclaimer that i've been reading the faq/stickies and searching for the last thirty odd minutes.

my issue is that i seem to be getting banned by other clients. i'm using 1.6.1 on windows xp and this problem started happening w/in the last few weeks. i notice that it happens regardless of the client i'm connecting to (other utorrent users of various versions ban me, azureus users ban me, everyone bans me!). i thought at first that somehow when i added the files to my mp3 player it was changing the tags or something (even though i know it hasn't done that before and i knew my settings would prevent this, but it was the first thing to check). so i did a force recheck on the a brand new torrent when i was getting banned and there was no problem.

i know utorrent bans peers when there are hash fails but i can't figure out why this is happening. i can 'work around' this by sitting there and stopping/restarting the torrent every time i get banned (approx every 1.5-3mb of upload with a single leecher). Unfortunately the other day i downloaded a torrent and utorrent was banning the single seeder. i got around this by going through the same tedious process i just mentioned, but i downloaded 150% of the data i should've. i can't be certain that this one is my problem, but i'd never noticed it before.

i've reinstalled utorrent, reset my internet connections, limited my connection slots and even tried this with newly created files i haven't touched in any way since their creation (so i know the id3 tags aren't getting edited or any other funny business...)

sorry for the long winded request, but i'm really at a loss and this problem makes me want to die. i used to have no problem uploading new torrents to people. i'm currently uploading a 4gb file to a single leecher on another site and i'm not getting banned. this isn't a torrent i created, but one i had downloaded from the site a few weeks ago. i don't think this is a tracker issue since if it were it would've come up in the forums there by now for sure (there are lots of users). hopefully i gave anyone kind enough to offer help enough information to work with but if not just let me know.

sorry again for the ridiculously long message!

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Your message is fine. I appreciate the detail.

What indications are you getting that you are being banned? Is this some indication that you are getting from the tracker?

If it's the tracker that is banning you, you need to consult with the tracker admins to find out why. The reason will not be related to data corruption, but it may be a problem with your overall participation on the tracker, your IP address is suspicious, or because you are announcing too often (too many manual Tracker Updates). The tracker gets no information from you or other clients about corrupted data.

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i had a friend d/l from me and their client was banning me. i don't htink it's the tracker that's banning me b/c i can send/receive requests from one torrent while being banned on another. also, when i was seeding a very popular torrent a few days ago i could see in my peer list that i was slowly getting banned by one person, then another a minute later, then another... while i'm no bittorrent expert, from what i understand these things indicate that it's not a tracker ban (i could be way off though, i'm jsut going on intuition of how i think things would look if it were the tracker banning me)

i will send a message inquiring about the tracker banning me.

(separately, i know i'm banning people b/c i see it in the logger and i just downloaded a torrent with 128 seeders to test and i d/l'ed about 10mb's too much..that never used to happen ever)

thanks so much for the response

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The only thing I can think of is something (else) is indexing your files and locking them from time-to-time. While locked, µTorrent cannot access them for seconds on end and may fail to upload/download...thus getting banned.

Admittedly, that's just a wild guess...but that's the best I can come up with at the moment. :(

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hmm, i think i see what you're saying but when i sit and watch the logger, the SECOND it bans me i hit stop/start and it will connect/upload immediately thereafter w/o fail. not sure, but if something were locking them it seems like this process wouldn't every time as a fix. i'm going through my processes list looking for something i may not be thinking of, thanks again for the response. i will get this figured out eventually.

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> (separately, i know i'm banning people b/c i see it in the logger

What exactly do you see in the logger that indicates that you're banning people?

> and i just downloaded a

> torrent with 128 seeders to test and i d/l'ed about 10mb's too much..that never used to

> happen ever)

No, what that means is that you received 10 MB of partial pieces that you already had, or it was data that you requested that could not be hash checked and had to be junked. 1% or 2% is not abnormal -- consistently getting more than that might be worth looking into. (If you were frequently exiting the client during that torrent could result in a higher amount of junked data).

These are not hash failures -- and only repeated hash failures from the same client will result in a ban (and both failures and bans will explicitly appear on your Logging tab).

> but when i sit and watch the logger, the SECOND it bans me

What exactly do you see in the logger the second it bans you?

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okay in reverse order - that was worded poorly. punctuation is key and my third grade teacher is rolling in her grave right now. i sit and watch the logger and when the peer disappears (presumably b/c i'm getting banned), i immediately hit stop and then start and the peer will reappear. i just mean i am doing it almost instantly.

second - thanks for clearing that up, i see how it works now, and that explains the answer to your first question:

i would see that i request data, receive some, but then get a notice of a hash failure. that process would repeat several times before it would ban the seeder and i'd give it the old stop/start.... i think i'm ready to throw in the towel on this, but thanks so much for helping

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If this torrent swarm is not well seeded, then your seeder has a corrupt file and that download will never complete. Example:

1. Seeder creates a nice directory with movie and screen caps and NFO (text) file.

2. Seeder creates the .torrent file using TorrentMaker or Azureus or uTorrent (whatever)

3. Seeder makes a small change to the NFO file

4. Seeder begins seeding. Torrent gets to 99% but either the first or last piece is missing. (At this point, some seeding clients will also detect the hash failure and automatically disconnect from the swarm -- a self-checking self-banning function). If the seeder actually sends the changed data, the clients will ban it for the repeated hash failures on that piece.

Another common cause is cross-linked files. The seeder needs to run CHKDSK /F

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