DreadWingKnight Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 http://torrenthelp.depthstrike.com/2007/07/utorrent-171-and-all-claims-about.htmlPut up or shut up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dididave Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 As a tracker owner myself i have given full support to the latest 1.7.1 version even though i did block the use of 1.7.0 due to the problems reported.As far as i can tell from the IP list given and DNS reports this is all well and good but no further information has been given as to the source of the .torrent file used and from which site.If the torrent was from a less then secure tracker site like TPB or a public torrent posted on such sites as T/Spy MiniN ect ect then what does he expect !!!!!Even as a private tracker site we still have times when a member of a anti P2P group get membership and we get take down notices for torrents on site for which they own copywrite for.Am sure at these times if anyone was to do a peer check at these times there would be rouge IP's listed and reporting that every cleint used was sending data to them !!!! ----LOL fact of torrent life.....if you cant take the heat dont get into the fire .....This story seems to be getting out of hand and being past from one person to the next with little if any of these people understanding the workings of torrents and is more like a game of chinese whispers and stories getting more distorted with every posting !!!!!My own tracker stats show utorrent as the top most used cleint out there and we only ban one cleint and thats bitcomet/lord due to reporting problems of part downloads.Utorrent 7201 peersnext best peer totalAzureus 2260 peersUtorrent will stay welcome on my own private tracker -untill proved it should not be 100% and not just some scare stories being past on by mis-informed and un-educated torrent users... I'm sure uTorrent with there massive market share of users using Utorrent are not going to be doing anything silly like reporting users IP's to a unknown person/'s...If sony could not get away with there route kits and such like i'm sure utorrent would not be so daft and i have tested myself on utorrent 1.7 and 1.7.1 and no such IP's are being reported on torrents from my private site or any clean self made torrents i make from any sources i have the use of... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunt01 Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 i feel better now thnx, sorry developers i love utorrent and would be sad to be reported b/c im not a bad person. so if people have proof let us know with the wireshark thing if not shut up or put up like he said to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin05 Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 I've now had a chance to test 1.7.1 for myself, I've just sat for hours on end watching wireshark (thrilling) I can now say that I have no worries about lifting the temp ban on 1.7.1 on my site. I have also sent out a pm to all members stating this as well. I don't know where the source of this information came from that it was a reporting tool for the MPAA, but as far as I can see it's complete bullshit I'll be the first to admit that I did ban it last night until I had the chance to discredit the allegations, but that was purely a precautionary measure.Normal service has resumed and µtorrent is back to the primary download client on my site Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverfire Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 stunt01: Did you even bother reading the rest of the thread? Wireshark logs or GTFO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tickopa Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Forget about the MPAA killing the BitTorrent community, the community seems very able to do that for themselves.As in relying on rumers to justify banning random peer_ids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoovious Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Forget about the MPAA killing the BitTorrent community, the community seems very able to do that for themselves.That pretty much sums it up, now, don't it?-- Smoovious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracon Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 What is it with the private tracker Nazis, why haven't they banned Azureus for it's "sell out". What a joke.They have nothing better to do than bag a really good program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbalaska45 Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 "private tracker Nazis"....a comment only a bloody leecher would make..The fact's as I see it is it doesn't even matter if uT 1.7+ is sending unauthorized data or not, I lost all respect for the whole deal way back when Ludde sold the dll to the enemy allowing them to create a automated IP collector. That being said...do I use 1.61 on my windoze servers?...YES, Will I upgrade to 1.7.1?...NO, why? because 1.61 works just fine for my purposes.I do thank Ludde for uT! and you really can't fault a guy for wanting to get paid for his labor, but imho there might have been better ways to cash in on that labor.Just my 2 cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Uh, he didn't sell it to make an automated IP collector. Where the hell did you get that idea? It was for content distribution.By the way, they use Azureus and ZipTorrent do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honeyfrog Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 The inarguably insane paranoia going on here is breath-taking. If the MPAA were really Hell-bent-for-leather, it'd hire people to use their own personal accounts to join all these sites and download pirated files complete with records of transfer from various IP-addresses.That they don't means they've pretty much conceded the battle as a lost-cause. Attempts to prompt governments to shut down hosting sites are the last gasp, and will fail miserably. (If they can't shut down Piratebay, Demonoid, Isohunt and Mininova, the others don't really matter in a statistical sense.) Already the fake-bot nonsense appears to be winding down, as they're realizing that doesn't represent any kind of deterent.Millions of people trade pirated stuff directly through eMule and IRC with a helluvalot less security (I mean, good-grief, you can DL child-porn all day long, if that's your thing) -- and I've yet to hear any government propose marking off half the planet as a prison to keep 'em in.With DHT, you don't even need a hosting site or valid tracker announce-URLs; you just drop the .torrent file in your eMule share folder, and people will find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbalaska45 Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Sorry Firon, My post was unclear. I was talking about the dll component that was sold quite some months ago, not the sale of uTorrent M8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 It was clear what you were referring to from the very beginning, and you're still wrong about the point of the DLL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tickopa Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 And for all these years the MPAA have been implanting micro GPS transponders in all of your brains. HAHAHA!!!But seriously though, the propaganda is starting to spiral out of control. Soon people will be saying that BitTorrent Inc has been invaded and taken over by Aliens from Mars that are bent on world domination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saribro Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Soon people will be saying that BitTorrent Inc has been invaded and taken over by Aliens from Mars that are bent on world domination.Martian Project for Aspiring Ascendants, it's all there!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin05 Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 I think there will always be a sense of suspicion and mistrust as long as bittorrent inc have anything to do with µtorrent. It would be the same if they had gone to Azureus or any other bt client. But to speculate that it's a reporting tool without any concrete evidence whatsoever is a bit pathetic and just creates paranoia.It wouldn't surprise me if it was started by a rival client development team, or even someone that has been banned from these forums, does anyone actually know the source of the claim?I have seen in the past where allegations have been made that well known members of the torrent community, were members of the MPAA yet no evidence to support the claims were ever put forward. 99% of the time it just boils down to someone with a grudge that will make up any story just to discredit someone or some thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Switeck Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 How about a possible link between the various conspiracies?Yes...µTorrent is uploading to MPAA/RIAA because of this:http://torrentfreak.com/ziptorrent-pollutes-and-slows-down-popular-torrents/Ok, I'll spell it out. The bottom of that article gives a bunch of "hostile" ip ranges.Sure enough, these 2 entries are on it:ziptorrent:224.0.0.0-239.255.255.255ziptorrent:240.0.0.0-255.255.255.255Irrefutable proof that µTorrent is uploading to hostile ips!>*NOT!*< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 @merlin05: http://forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?pid=263015#p263015Dunno... Apparently, they treat Azureus with a double-standard. BitTorrent doesn't need to go to Azureus for it to be as "suspicious" as µTorrent, seeing as how they've already signed deals with movie studios as well for VUZE. Amazingly, tracker administrators happily turn a blind eye to that situation. Their decision to turn a blind eye to Azureus was correct, as Azureus isn't suspicious, but µTorrent isn't any more suspicious either.As for the source, I've no clue (and have been wondering myself), but it wouldn't surprise me at all if it were just a case of pent up suspicion that cascaded after one tracker (whatever tracker it was) took the initiative to ban µTorrent. While plain ol' suspicion is at least somewhat understandable, outright banning and passing rumors off as fact without proof is just disdainful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesnake Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Here is what another tracker thinks of what has happend."they used those donations to develop a client that is now potentially worth millions of dollars. Typically, when I make a donation, I assume that the organization I am donating to is not-for-profit. It may not be stated, but it is certainly implied. Accepting donations while in negotiations to sell is, if nothing else, a lie of omission.I compare it to donating to your local charity in order for them to build a new facility to assist the poor, and then having them instead sell that building for a profit which goes into the founder's bank account, not the charity's." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 That's bullshit. People donated because they liked the client and wanted to give money to the person responsible for it.It's not like donating to a charity, because you know what a charity is and what they're supposed to do with the money. Here, people were donating to a developer who was taking his free time to provide you, the user, with an application at no charge. He had no obligation to continue developing or anything, nor did he owe the people who donated anything. Perhaps if there was a contract or disclaimer, sure, but there wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robincheema Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 this is stupid demonoid won't let me loginto my account cuse I am using utorrent, as soon as I removed it I got demonoid working again. Whats up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invasi0n Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 @ robincheema - That's wired to me because I just checked http://inferno.demonoid.com:3409/announce and works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funchords Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 ernesto(at)torrentfreak.comziptorrent:224.0.0.0-239.255.255.255ziptorrent:240.0.0.0-255.255.255.255Ernesto,Very interesting piece, but please remove these two ranges from the end of your article. These are not Internet routeable addresses, they are special addresses used for local broadcast. (For example, your computer uses 255.255.255.255 to find a DHCP server). It's not surprising that Azureus (or uTorrent) would use addresses in those ranges, as both of these products have a "LAN Peer Finder" feature that tries to make downloading more efficient when there are two people in the same LAN in the same swarm.You can read more about thishttp://www.iana.org/assignments/multicast-addresses and http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-spaceI hope that helps /s/ > this is stupid demonoid won't let me loginto my account cuse I am using > utorrent, as soon as I removed it I got demonoid working again. Whats up?Coincidence, I think. Demonoid's tracker integration isn't like that. Did you actually see something that made reference that you weren't allowed due to uTorrent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honeyfrog Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 Demonoid, broke, at any random moment of the day? No way!<giggle> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanssen Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 Of the 86743 peers now active on a famous tracker I maintain,66010 are using µTorrent12896 are using Azureusrest is mostly BitComet and BitTornado and some obscure clients.I've never blocked µT and I probably never will.By the way, those fools complaining about software contacting the MPAA/RIAA/TimeWarner,have they never heard of PeerGuardian?The IP-addresses they mention were listed by PG2 for a long time already.Try it: http://phoenixlabs.org/pg2/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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