alpha_maverick Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 I'm not really sure where this should be posted, or if it's even intelligent, since I'm not a programmer. Anyway, my thought was this: If you tricked the client into "thinking" that you were missing some random piece (probably the MOST available one) and continued to download it at the same bandwidth as your overall upload speed, but dumping the *new* downloaded data to some other memory location, and not into the actual file (so that the file is still usable), you could bypass Comcast's throttling technique. Or am I missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Eh...? Comcast's throttling has nothing to do with what pieces you're downloading... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpha_maverick Posted October 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 I thought I read somewhere that the throttling only kicks in when you stop downloading and are only seeding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 That'd be a collosal waste of bandwidth.http://torrentfreak.com/how-to-bypass-comcast-bittorrent-throttling-071021/Anyhow, Comcast is supposed to be getting slapped with some class action lawsuit soon because of their use of Sandvine, IINM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpha_maverick Posted October 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 what is the minimum download rate or download:upload ratio for sandvine to leave the connection alone?If it's just a couple kb/s or less, would it not be worth the lost bandwidth to keep your upload slots open? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 None. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The8472 Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 10:1 iff they are only throtteling uploads, if they throttle all bittorrenting in your region then firon is right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 Edit: See The8472's post below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpha_maverick Posted October 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 I understand that it is not based on bandwidth, but am I incorrect that the throttling only occurs when you stop downloading? If that is the case, how much download speed/speed ratio is required to allow you to seed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The8472 Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 it's a up:down ratio on a per-connection basis, see http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php/User:The8472/Comcast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpha_maverick Posted October 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 so, could you not make another "keepalive" option that forces a download bandwidth of 1/10th of your upload? That would defeat the sandvining, albeit an ugly solution. Right now I have a 35Kbps upload limit. It would not be hard on my connection to "throw away" 3.5Kbps DL, since I'm on a 6Mbps DL connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 It being an ugly hack/workaround (that isn't even close to being guaranteed to work) makes it all-the-more unlikely to get implemented. There are cleaner solutions that the devs are trying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 That's not how it works. It's if your upload is 10x higher than your download. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpha_maverick Posted October 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 isn't that what I said? DL:UL::1:10so requiring a DL of .1 times your UL should work, right?But you guys apparently have something better in the works, so I guess I'll start pushing for the separation of the tracker and peer proxy settings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honeyfrog Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 The level of sandvine implementation depends upon where you are in the country. (Comcast turned it off entirely in the Twin Cities; I suspect that the smaller your local and the tighter their monopoly, the more you are screwed.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Switeck Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 The novel approach I have heard is get enough signed petitions to remove ComCast's franchise to provide internet service to the area as a monopoly-granted "utility". When the utility service fails to provide the utility, they need to be replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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