wingo Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Hello. First of all I want to thank all utorrent devs. It's by far my favourite torrent client.Unfortunately, I had to stop using utorrent because of Traffic Shapping. I've tryed several clients, but only one prevents the TS. I'm sorry to advertise it, but it's "deluge".I don't know how the encryption works, but when the option "encrypt entire stream" is actived it bypasses all TS and I download full speed (16Mbps). Is it possible to someone developing utorrent try to implementthis or better encryption? My current ISP is the only option available where I live and I want to keep using utorrent...Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 We've got the same encryption method. Set it to forced and disable legacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingo Posted November 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Thank you for the quick answer. I've done that already. No luck. The only method that works is with the client I mentioned above. I've heard that the TS in my ISP is aplication based. Something about layer 7... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hazel Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 Wireshark logs would be helpful here. Deluge just uses libtorrent, which doesn't do anything particularly different in terms of encryption from uTorrent. It's possible they look for DHT or auto-update checkins, so you could try to turn those off.Out of curiosity, if you run uTorrent at the same time as Deluge, does uTorrent get limited and Deluge does not? That would be very strange. I expect it would trigger traffic shapping for both of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingo Posted November 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 I have dht off because I use private trackers. Ratio is very importante. Running utorrent and deluge side by side, utorrent downloads at 40KB/s and deluge maxs out my connection at 1.8MB/s. No matter what I do, utorrent and even azureus download at 40KB/s. I have all configuration as I had before the TS. It started roughly around mid August. I'm sorry but I don't know what Wireshark logs are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hazel Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 Ok, that's interesting. It's good to know Azureus is also rate limited. Can you screenshot the Deluge peer list and the uTorrent peer list while this is going on? Sort by download rate, so we can see the fast peers up top.Wireshark is a network analyzer that can capture traffic. http://www.wireshark.org/ A brief guide about capturing: http://www.plus.net/support/broadband/troubleshooting/wireshark.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingo Posted November 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 Here's the screenshot. I've tried to switch the torrents to see how they behave. Result: a torrent downloading at 600KB/s in deluge, when opened in utorrent drops to below 40 KB/s and vice-versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hazel Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 Can you run the same torrent in both? The seed/peer ratio on the torrent in uTorrent is not nearly as good as the running torrent in Deluge.It's interesting that you're getting good rates from other uTorrent peers. The transport/encryption must not be the thing triggering the traffic shaping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deviliam Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 Don't mean to butt in but I think this may be the feature he is requesting...Full stream - the entire stream is encrypted with RC4Just a guess.Dev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hazel Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 Don't mean to butt in but I think this may be the feature he is requesting...Full stream - the entire stream is encrypted with RC4Just a guess.DevuTorrent already does that when encryption is on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingo Posted November 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2007 @ alus:I switched those torrents from utorrent to deluge and deluge to utorrent. The same torrent when in deluge, >600KB/s); when in utorrent downlads at 40KB/s max.When I load several torrents into utorrent the combined speeds of all is 40KB/s maximum. Every client is well configured (router, ports, etc). Other people using my ISP have the same situation with deluge and utorrent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye04 Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 Same problem here too.... UPC Romania uses TS and no other client beside Deluge can pass over that.... U should dig deeper into this problem because Deluge has too many bugs and crashes alot....but it runes speeds 20 times faster then any other client in TS........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hazel Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 Again, Wireshark http://www.wireshark.org/ logs of the traffic for uTorrent to get up to speed and Deluge to get up to speed would be helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blingutor Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 Im agree a Wireshark http://www.wireshark.org/ logs would be helpful, Im also interested on this issue, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exorcista Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 well.. i tryed this client "deluge" and i could dl at 325 kbps (my conn is 3mb max is 375kbps)but when i use utorrent the speed caps at 60kbpsim brazilian and my isp is wayinternet... they only shape the traffic from 1 pm to 6 pmi did open deluge then open utorrentdeluge was downloading @ 280kbps and utorrent started downloading at 5kbpsthen i used the limit to 150kbps on deluge and utorrent started to increase but it stopped around 30kbpsss >i really like utorrent and im used to it but can it be banned from my isp somehow ?the peer diference is not so big and deluge was already open when i started utorrentsorry about my english Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hazel Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 well.. i tryed this client "deluge" and i could dl at 325 kbps (my conn is 3mb max is 375kbps)but when i use utorrent the speed caps at 60kbpsIn uTorrrent, did you try setting Encryption to "Forced" and disabled "Allow incoming legacy connections"?Can you get Wireshark logs of both clients? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye04 Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 Welll....truly....it is not in my interest for utorrent to do what deluge is doing....why?Because utorrent is the most used client and passing the TS will force the ISP to find other methods of TS....But as long as i use it for myself...nobody will bother to do that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreadWingKnight Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 Getting everyone on your ISP over to deluge will have the same effect.People on your isp who see this will switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exorcista Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 yes i did...tomorrow i will get a wireshark logsome1 that works on the company told me that they use a program to read the headerhe also told me that they are using a program called "shaper"edit:http://rapidshare.com/files/71061974/utorrent.rar.htmlusing both programs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redguard Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 Yeap, Deluge does it well and I can't use any other client until some of the more mainstream ones will be able to perform in the same manner.As for the latest alpha release of 1.8, it shows the same capped speeds either if the connections are encrypted or not. And I mean it's the same pattern: a quick burst for one second then a straight line of 300 KB/s, whereas the aforementioned client goes straight up to 2 MB/s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hazel Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 Can anyone offer VNC or Remote Desktop access to a machine inside this kind of net connection? It would speed up debugging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye04 Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 I can.....do you have a messenger ID ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exorcista Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 well.. i can.. i have ultra vnc here.. email me or add msnlucasaliba@hotmail.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye04 Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 Alus.i`ve added u on gtalk but....no answer from u...yet ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 If you want, you can also try contacting him via the IRC channel/PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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