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Anything above 0.75 is fine.

Pick any short-term popular download, like for example the latest "24" or "Lost" episode on a public tracker, and it takes forever to reach 0.75 because there simply isn't any need for it. I'd say:

- Don't look at your ratio. The less users worry about it, the more will be there to get the torrent. Of course they'll leave their torrents open for a while, and even if they don't it's no big deal.

- Make sure you enable DHT/Peer Exchange, even if the tracker/forum admin says you shouldn't.

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getting to .75 on a public tracker is easy lol. It's easy on most private trackers too. there's just a few special ones that take a li'l more work.

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Yep, you'll also notice that unlike a lot of other torrents, it survives. Why? Because it has seeders that seed well beyond anything a 1:1 ratio can approach (yes, the seeds are most likely dedicated seeding boxes as Firon says). In any case, that example only goes to show that a torrent remains healthy not only because of more peers (OpenOffice.org has a low peer:seed ratio), but because of seeds willing to upload -- the fact that they're just machines set to do seeding is another story.

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Bleh whatever, that only strengthens my argument then... thanks ;P

(I was expecting Metatron/jult to provide some rebuttal or another about that, so I decided to brush that argument off)

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This is the silliest idea ever and I see it mentioned everywhere: Why don't you try it? You'll find that ALL your torrents have too few peers, no seeds, no swarm, nothing. They'll die within a few days. Good luck with that! Nobody wants a site like that.

Let me get this straight. You're saying that having a community that seeds to 1:1 isn't preferable to having a community of a few providers and whole load of leechers?

You want a site like suprnova. You want over 100000 unique hits a day from people loading and searching for content/media. You won't get them when you 'ban' low ratio users, because you know what? Newsflash: Consumers don't care, they've been uploading while they were downloading and maybe left them in their trays a little while longer. Ban them and they'll go to the next open tracker, where traffic will be much faster because the swarms are huge.

Newsflash: folks that leave torrents in their trays a little longer are the ones that have good ratios and are the ones that don't get banned. Anyway, I do not have a size fixation. I don't want 100000 uniqe hits a day. I don't want to have pathetic d/load speed coz I'm connected to my 75 max peers and the usless MFs are all uploading at 0.1k because they have 50 torrents open on a bad connection. All I do want is a little bit of responsibility and thought from folks. That's all it takes for torrents to work great.

I don't know about you but, apart from OO, there's only one open tracker I have ever got good speed from and I assume that's because there's a whole load of Swedes with lovely connections providing the leechers. I never get bad speen on private trackers.

I do agree with what you say about more peers being better but unless those peers are of a certain quality they are next to useless. As for sites dying and folks moving on. I dunno, I don't see any of the trackers I belong to dying and it does seem there's a queue to join....

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Bleh whatever, that only strengthens my argument then... thanks ;P

(I was expecting Metatron/jult to provide some rebuttal or another about that, so I decided to brush that argument off)

And I can brush it off, since, as I wrote earlier: Bandwidth is NOT as expensive as it used to be. We are in 2006 now, not in 1996. The same thing happening with OOo happens with superbly seeded popular tv-series, again, it does NOT need ratio worries, it only needs one fast seeder, a whole lot of peers and that's it.

mininova.org is hosted just around the corner from where I live, their server's on a 70 mbit pipe, taking a raging megabyte a second now. That's just the site.

Ratio is something for the past, as far as I know. Won't be long and networks like Fox will be delivering torrents, and they won't be asking users for a good ratio, they will just ask (or force) them to click on banners or pay some fee. And they will profit, because serving and bandwidth are getting cheaper by the day, and they now have a worlwide audience, instead of just the 200-300 million Americans+Canadians.

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Fine you can say that about torrents with fast seeds who stay in the swarm, but you seem to not realize that not everyone has a big fat pipe. Not everyone has 100mbit up/down like the lucky bastards in Sweden (xD), and they turn to BitTorrent in order to alleviate their bandwidth problems. Fine, bandwidth is getting cheaper. Does that give everyone an excuse to stop their share of helping the swarm? Everyone thrashing one seed for the data goes against the original idea of BitTorrent.

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It's is not hard to see that it's completely IMPOSIBLE for everyone to have ratios > 1:1. The amount of data uploaded across the swarm is = the amount of data downloaded, so swarm-wide the ratio is exactly 1. If there are peers with ratio higher than 1 -> there will be peers with ratio lower than 1.

it's very very easy for the first several peers conected to the seeder to achieve good ratios. If you are one of the first to jump on the torrrent, you can have 2+,3+,..,20+ ratio pretty fast as everyone else is downloading from you. But if you come later, when the torrent is already dieing, you may have to seed for weeks just to have the 0.5 ratio.

nightshifted mentioned a requirement of 0.25, this is a very good number in my view. If you cannot get this general ratio (not on per torrent basis, but in general), you are obveously not seeding at all.

on a side note: The best way to get better ratio fast is do download porn... Be the first peer to connect, catch the most wiked porn you can find and leave it over night (best time is between 10pm and 2am). If your connection is good enough you can have 10+ easely even on big files and this makes a very good buffer. It gets even better with allways_prio_rare. Hell, one night I got about 3GB down and 50GB up...

btw, the trackers around here are private (login, no DHT, no PEx), but do not ban because of low ratios. They give privileges to peers with higher ratios, but they would not ban you even if you have 0.001

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How Everyone Can Have A Ratio Of 1:1

By Jroc

member creates a torrent.

ppl download a torrent.

some ppl are at 1:1 or above.

others are under 1.

torrent dies b4 those under 1 can get to 1:1

Those under 1 create their own torrent, upload it and download nothing else.

Those that were under 1 are now at 1 or above.

Everyone can have a ratio of 1:1 or above if more ppl created and uploaded their own torrents instead of just downloading and seeding

*Especially if your created torrents are bigger in size than what u downloaded.

Ex., I download a file thats 200MB in size. Im under 1:1 when the torrent dies =( I create and upload my own torrent thats 400MB in size. I downloaded nothing else. Now im over 1 =)

Even sites that have upload privileges will allow u to upload if u have decent something to share. I know some sites are stricter with upload privileges than others. But it can be done.

I think what we should say is its impossible for everyone to be 1:1 and above on the same torrent. But everyone can be at 1:1 or above in time. In a short time at that.

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What people are arguing about are single torrent ratios, not overall ratio, so you wasted some of your keyboard's life xP

(I know you know this, but people were only talking about single torrents, never about overall =T)

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Ok... i have a question..Im Pretty new at this torrent thing. so if anyone could get off their hate against noobs and help me that would be JUST GREAT :].. haha ok.. but seriously.

Im using utorrent and it says my ratio is 0.416 ....... Can anyone tell me what that means and what it should be? please? Thanks a bunch

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Ratio is not important, don't look at it.

Check if there are any seeds, if there are only 2, or is only 1, or there aren't any, make sure you seed it as long as you can.

That's all you need to be polite with. Don't leave others dead behind when they didn't finish yet.

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So you're saying that if there are 10 seeds, it's okay for me to leave a swarm even if I have a 0.05 ratio?

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I am a complete newbie, so where do you get these ratio results? I have been leaving the torrents on seeding untill all the time runs to zero and there are other seeders in the swarm. Under ratio it usually says something like 1.5 to 1.7 Right now my download total says 2.0 gbs, and my upload says 3.3 gbs. I always end uploading much more than I download, but I don't know what the ratio is (or I am not reading it right?) Anyway I don't want to be a scumbag. So what is my ratio, and how do you read it correctly? From my download to upload totals I would say it is 2:3 or 1:1.5 ?

Thanks.

P.S. I think I am being confused by the ratio readings, does 1.576 mean 1:1.576 ?

P.S.S. Nevermind I read the rest of the thread and got my answers. Duh! Should've done that in the first place. :lol:

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