ScubaSteve Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 After all the debate going on in the other topic i thought the easiest way to see if the feature is wanted is by a vote, that way ludde can see how we all feel on it.Please take into account that there are programs such as peerguardian and protowall which can already be used for such a thing and that implementing one into uTorrent will only waste useful development time that could be spent on implementing other more useful features. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebra Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Please take into account that there are programs such as peerguardian and protowall which can already be used for such a thing and that implementing one into uTorrent will only waste useful development time that could be spent on implementing other more useful features.Well, that's YOUR opinion. It's not a certainty... But besides that, good idea about the poll . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loatroll Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Personally I wouldn't use the feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j33 Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 God help the software project that decide feature sets by message board voting systems. In almost all cases the "Yes" votes will outnumber the "No" by a significant margin, no matter which feature it is.Anyway, if you want to do a poll you should have been more clear about what kind of IP filter you mean. Is this for a PG/PW style massive blocklist, or simply an automatically created temporary filter to block IPs which are sending you bad data? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 a feature like this wouldnt "bloat" the program so I dont understand why people wouldnt want in it if theres enough people wanting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScubaSteve Posted October 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 God help the software project that decide feature sets by message board voting systems. In almost all cases the "Yes" votes will outnumber the "No" by a significant margin, no matter which feature it is.Anyway, if you want to do a poll you should have been more clear about what kind of IP filter you mean. Is this for a PG/PW style massive blocklist, or simply an automatically created temporary filter to block IPs which are sending you bad data?clearly you havent read the ip filter topic otherwise u would have known i was talking about the PG/PW type blocklist feature. the blocking ip becoz of bad data feature should certainly be implemented. but the program doesnt need to have a blocklist feature like that of peerguardian/protowall. it is just going to bloat a perfectly good program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackspawn Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 the blocking ip becoz of bad data feature should certainly be implemented. but the program doesnt need to have a blocklist feature like that of peerguardian/protowall. it is just going to bloat a perfectly good program.I agree... If there is already 2 programs dedicated to block ips then there is no need to spend dev time in adding it to uTorrent. Time is better spent in other things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teloriun Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Personal Opinion (we all have one )...as a plugin, fine...but i dont like the idea of dev's using their time to do it. Would much prefer them to spend in on fixing and improving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaosblade Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Yes, If it means filtering out bad data.No, If it means peerguardian style features, We already have enough security programs to take care of anything. Paranoia will not be cured because you see the word 'IP FILTERING' in a program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kebabi Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 What's the problem if IP Filter is included with utorrent?I would use it, but you could just remove the filter or clear out the blocklist(s).So just add it and let people who want it, to use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScubaSteve Posted October 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 developing a plugin or feature that only a couple of ppl are going to use when there are perfectly good programs that do the same thing only better is a waste of time. there is peerguardian and protowall available, both of which have had alot of time spent on them and will be far more effective as they can control bad ips to all p2p applications and not just uTorrent. all this feature is going todo is make the program larger, more resource heavy, add bugs and waste useful development time in trying to get it to work correctly which could be used for far more useful features or tidying up and improving current performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okasvi Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Yes, If it means filtering out bad data.No, If it means peerguardian style features, We already have enough security programs to take care of anything. Paranoia will not be cured because you see the word 'IP FILTERING' in a program.same here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okasvi Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Yes, If it means filtering out bad data.No, If it means peerguardian style features, We already have enough security programs to take care of anything. Paranoia will not be cured because you see the word 'IP FILTERING' in a program.same here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winMX_67 Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 No that would make the program bloated if you want an Ip filter get a seprate one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrix Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 i dont want a program like peerguardian to run in the background on the other hand i would want programs like µtorrent to be able to have a list of ips to block.. just in case.. So i vote YES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slayers Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 After all the debate going on in the other topic i thought the easiest way to see if the feature is wanted is by a vote, that way ludde can see how we all feel on it.Please take into account that there are programs such as peerguardian and protowall which can already be used for such a thing and that implementing one into uTorrent will only waste useful development time that could be spent on implementing other more useful features.My, oh my, that's a magnificent and unbiased summary of the issue, isn't it? Everyone now has all they need to make their own opinion, heh? I wish judges would announce their cases like that right at the beggining of trials. It would make justice so much better, easier too.Fine demonstration of democracy, ScubaSteve! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScubaSteve Posted October 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 yw i was merely stating that there are other programs that are far more effective at doing the job of blocking ips. both PG and PW have had alot more time to develop tested until they work effectively. im sure some of you remember peerguardian 1 and how repetative connection attempts from a ban ip would cause the program to start using all the cpu and ram,by trying to implement the feature into uTorrent its going to waste alot of other more useful development time. the fact that utorrent uses so little ram and cpu is what most ppl love about it, by putting something like this in could completely f**k up a decent program.but hey thats just mine and 20 other ppls opinions.i wasnt trying influence ppl into pressing no, i was only informing them that there are other programs specifically designed for the task of ip blocking and will do it far more effectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v0ice Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 I've read all of these topics and you people seem to put this down. I for one don't feel the need to block "bad" ranges when I'm only on my computer. I only like it for when I'm on my torrents. Secondly I believe that the fbi needs evidence to accuse you with. IE they need to connect to your machine and show that you actually getting what they accuse you of getting. I have not seen anyone prove this wrong with real evidence. Until I see that I'm going to have to disagree with your views that them having my IP makes me a convicted con. Thirdly, I have come from Azureus to this program. I thought wow no more long load times and it's smaller. I have been informed by many that they had planned on including the similar features of Azureus as to grab us users for their own user base. If they chose to not at this they are going agains't what they said. my $.02In the end I'd like to see it added.thanks for your time and keep up the hard work utorrent coders because you have already created a miniture revolution in torrent clients as I know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoovious Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 im sure some of you remember peerguardian 1 and how repetative connection attempts from a ban ip would cause the program to start using all the cpu and ramActually, you just made a good argument FOR including support for support for them.Running PG seperately, you would have utorrent repeatedly retrying those blocked IP's over and over again.With IP blocking support, the first time utorrent could check the blocklist for itself and knowing it is blocked instead of just not being able to connect, it could add that IP to its internal banned IP list and won't attempt to try connecting to it anymore, allowing utorrent to use that time to attempt to connect to other IP's that aren't suspect.The support doesn't have to be native in utorrent, but being able to support a plugin for it like some other trackers do would be a good idea. Keeps things modular. Don't want that functionality? Don't install the plugin.r00ted would probably be in a better position to talk about how this kind of thing would be implemented.-- Smoovious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaosblade Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 I Believe that until vurlixludde even mention a plugin system you should all ditch the idea. Thats something that isnt that simple to implement well, and i have not seen intention of making one yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScubaSteve Posted October 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 im sure some of you remember peerguardian 1 and how repetative connection attempts from a ban ip would cause the program to start using all the cpu and ramwhen i said that i meant that peerguardian used all the resources. adding the ability to use plugins would be a good idea, but thats a very large feature to implement. id be happy with just DHT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 Anyone wonder why ProtoWall and PeerGuardian v2 use low-level kernel drivers to block IPs? It's faster and uses less resources. I say that this feature should be left to something that's more developed and efficient... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grug Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 Blocking IPs of people who sent X amount of bad data? Yes please.SafePeer/Peerguardian-like filtering? Hell No.If you want your BitTorrent client to act as your webserver, IRC client, RSS client, or firewall, just go back to Azureus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaosblade Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 /me high-fives grug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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