pietertje Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Hi,The download speed of my torrents is fine, around 600-700 kbps but the upload speed is dramatic 0.5-1 kbps on average. I've opened the necessary ports on my router and I'm sure I did it correctly. Yet the portchecker still tells me it's closed. I have no firewall so that's not it. Windows firewall is also disabled. 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Service: MSCSPTISRV - Sony Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Sony Shared\AVLib\MSCSPTISRV.exeO23 - Service: Intel NCS NetService (NetSvc) - Intel(R) Corporation - C:\Program Files\Intel\PROSetWired\NCS\Sync\NetSvc.exeO23 - Service: NVIDIA Display Driver Service (NVSvc) - NVIDIA Corporation - C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvsvc32.exeO23 - Service: PACSPTISVR - Sony Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Sony Shared\AVLib\PACSPTISVR.exeO23 - Service: Pml Driver HPZ12 - HP - C:\WINDOWS\system32\HPZipm12.exeO23 - Service: Remote Packet Capture Protocol v.0 (experimental) (rpcapd) - CACE Technologies - C:\Program Files\WinPcap\rpcapd.exeO23 - Service: Sony SPTI Service (SPTISRV) - Sony Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Sony Shared\AVLib\SPTISRV.exeO23 - Service: SonicStage SCSI Service (SSScsiSV) - Sony Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Sony Shared\AVLib\SSScsiSV.exeO23 - Service: TuneUp WinStyler Theme Service (TUWinStylerThemeSvc) - TuneUp Software GmbH - E:\Program Files\TuneUp Utilities 2006\WinStylerThemeSvc.exeO23 - Service: Viewpoint Manager Service - Viewpoint Corporation - C:\Program Files\Viewpoint\Common\ViewpointService.exeO23 - Service: wampapache - Unknown owner - c:\wamp\apache2\bin\Apache.exe (file missing)O23 - Service: wampmysqld - Unknown owner - c:\wamp\mysql\bin\mysqld-nt.exe (file missing)O23 - Service: Windows Live Setup Service (WLSetupSvc) - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files\Windows Live\installer\WLSetupSvc.exe--End of file - 13716 bytesAny suggestions?Thanks. 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The_Nephilim Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 Hi, What is the make & model of your Modem?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 You need to set a static IP outside of your router's DHCP range to forward.If it still doesn't work, connect directly to your modem and see if you get an open port. If not, your modem might also be a router. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pietertje Posted August 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 @The_Nephilim:Thomson 546 V6This was also written on it, don't know if it means anything. MBKP603NYE1@Firon:How would I do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 Find the DHCP range in your router, then pick an IP that's to the left or right of that range and make it the static IP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pietertje Posted August 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Sorry for bumping an old topic, but I have one more question.How do I find the DHCP range of my router? when I enter "ipconfig /all" in cmd, it gives me this:DHCP-server. . . . . . . . . :192.168.2.1Does that mean I should make 192.168.2.2 and make it the static ip? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 No, you look in your router configuration page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pietertje Posted August 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Ok I'm absolutely lost here. So I'm just gonna document every step I have taken in the hopes someone can find an error.1. "Find the DHCP range in your router, then pick an IP that's to the left or right of that range and make it the static IP."So my new static ip should be 192.168.2.101, right?2 Finding out the subnet mask and standard gatewaySo according to this:Subnetmask: 255.255.255.0Gateway: 192.168.2.13. Find out my ISP's DNS serverP: 195.121.1.34S: 195.121.1.66(I called them)4. Setting up the static IP5. Forwarding the ports:I set Utorrent to using port 12345I forwarded the ports like this:Now can someone please tell me what's wrong, because I'm getting really frustrated.P.S I have no firewall of any kind on my computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 You have the correct static IP now, yes. The final problem I'm seeing is that you are behind a double NAT -- your modem behaves as a router. There are two solutions to this problem that are described in the user manual's advanced port forwarding guide. I suggest you take a look (it'll be some more reading). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pietertje Posted August 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Oh man, I love you so much right now. Thanks a bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 So is it fixed now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdjohn Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 HiI am having a similar problem Local IP Address: 192.168.1.1 Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0Starting IP 192.168.1.100Max Number of DHCP users: 50So my static IP that I chose is 192.168.1.151But my port does not seem to be open, what can I do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 What router? What modem? What firewall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdjohn Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Sorry.Linksys WRT54G. Windows Firewall and Terayon Terapro Looks like this: http://www.neotechcc.org/modemscd/terayon/B-terapro-new.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 The modem should be connected to the router. The labels on it should indicate what modem you're using. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdjohn Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Ok got it. I updated on the previous post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 :\Try connecting your computer directly to the modem (bypassing the Linksys). Does the problem persist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdjohn Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Nope, the problem is gone! But do you know how to make my port open when I am connected to the Linksys?But even though the port is open the speeds are really slow. .3 kb up and down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 That's what we'll need to figure out now...Try setting your computer's static IP to 192.168.1.50, and remove/recreate the router's port forwarding rule to forward to that new IP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdjohn Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 I just did that and still no luck. Port is not open. but I'm downloading slackware at 86.7kb/s on avg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pietertje Posted April 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 Sorry for bumping an old post, but I've recently reinstalled my OS and I did everything EXACTLY the same as in the post I mentioned above. Including forwarding the ports on my modem. But it now tells me no ports are not open. I've no firewall, only avast, which I don't think has a firewall. Windows firewall is disabled too. Does anybody know what's going wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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