englishmen Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Title says it all every time i use a torrent app µtorrent included i am unable to either log off or shut down my pc, i have to switch it off from the back. This happens every single time with out failure i have tried all torrent apps around, i select either log off or shut down and it quits from my desktop to the log on page and states either logging off or shutting down but never actually does.Could someone please suggest some reasons for this as it is very annoying, i think it must be something the torrent apps do but don't know what.I am aware it is not a problem in µtorrent as it happens with every torrent app out so please don't start stating its not µtorrent's fault because its not i now it is not, that's why i placed this topic in chat with the hope some can help, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Maybe it's your network card (the drivers). If the drivers don't get closed/exit/whatever properly, they won't allow Windows to shut down. (I *think* I remember reading something about such driver problems on sysinternals.com)Edit: Here's the article I read... The same thing happened with my old printer -- I had to shut the printer down before Windows continued with the shutdown process, otherwise, it just hung there. At least I got rid of that printer already =P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1c3d0g Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Also, it could be that you've configured your Windows setup to shutdown too quickly (< 3 sec.). You may have to increase this value. µTorrent (or any other BitTorrent program for that matter) needs time to announce (that you're not available anymore on the network), time to gracefully close all incoming and outgoing connections, time to flush the cache from memory, time to save all this data on your storage device, and finally time to end the process from memory. From there your OS can resume its shutdown procedures. I think that's it, but I may have left out a few steps in between... :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Nah, that probably isn't the case. If you tell Windows to shut applications down quickly, it should do just that -- kill the applications and exit/shutdown more quickly. If the applications shut down properly, then Windows should still exit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1c3d0g Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 That'd be a very ungraceful way to shutdown...if that is the case, I can see why so many peeps get hung up apps, freezes, crashes and the like... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Nope, however ungraceful it is, Windows will force the application to exit if it can. It can lead to data loss in the open applications, but that's what one is essentially telling Windows to do if they set the shutdown time too short. Usually, Windows can kill applications, unless some driver-related hang occurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1c3d0g Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Well that explains a lot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
englishmen Posted January 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Thanks for all the replies guys, Ultima you say it could my my network card drivers could it still be that even if i have no problem shutting down when i don't use a torrent app?1c3d0g could you please advise me how i can increase the shut-down time, just to cross that one off possible causes, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 It might be because of the sheer number of connections that a torrent application creates that the driver/NIC can't handle (and thus, won't close properly), maybe?The shutdown time can be changed using the registry entries mentioned here. Just follow the opposite directions (they say change from 20000 to 1000... go the other way -- from 20000 to maybe... 30000+). Again, I really doubt that this will solve your problem, but who knows though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Well, I know µTorrent kills itself after 15 seconds when shutting down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
englishmen Posted January 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Just a shot in the dark but could it be that something ir wrong with my ram i.e. something is not emptying itself from it and thus not closing. Anyone know of a pp that can clear the ram?I know about 0 about how ram works so excuse me if this sounds dumb :-). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1c3d0g Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Haha...no. But you can test your RAM with MemTest86+ and see if it's stable enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splintax Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Well, I know that hitting the power key (on a motherboard configured to pass the call to Windows first, not just shut off power straight away) on my computer will not shut down MS Office properly. It will just pop up asking me if I want to save my open document (if there is one), and yes, this is a useful feature, but that's not very good if it just kills every other program (rather than telling them to close like the red X) except MS Office.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Windows should force an exit after the threshold set in the Registry... Maybe Microsoft worked around that with Office (I wouldn't be too surprised -- they have all the keys after all =P). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splintax Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 They'll force an exit on a "not responding" program - but not a "responding, but waiting for user intervention" program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ini Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 I have the same problem on my pc. I discovered, in my case it had to do with ZoneAlarm. Normally, when I use utorrent and I shut down my pc, it hangs during the 'saving your settings' fase and I have to turn it off manually (by turning the power off).When I shutdown ZoneAlarm first, my pc shuts down normally.ZoneAlarm and bittorrent don't like eachother. For instance, I couldn't use Azureus and ZoneAlarm simultaneously. Now there seems to be a problem with utorrent as well...Some people hate ZoneAlarm for this. I don't. I think ZoneAlarm is quite save, like a firewall should be. And it has issues, like any other firewall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
englishmen Posted February 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 Oh my freaking god Ini you are the man, problem solved it was ZoneAlarm on my PC as well, who would have thought(obviously not me :-()Thank you so much :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 Hm... what version of ZoneAlarm are you using? It's never had any problems on 5.5.x or 6.x on many of the computers I've tested =T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
englishmen Posted February 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 I'm using ZoneAlarm 6.1.737.000 (free version) i would have never thought it was zone alarm but i can assure you that my PC never shits down when i use a bittorrent client it did how ever shut down fine after as Ini suggested i first closed Zone alarm. Me thinking its time to switch to another firewall :-( I'm thinking Outpost but in some reviews i have read they mentioned its fairly easy for virus spyware etc to shut it down anyone know if this is true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 *chuckle* @ typo xDHm... I haven't heard anything of the sort (Outpost being easy to kill) =T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
englishmen Posted February 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 You laugh but i only read it somewhere so laugh at the review. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1c3d0g Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 Englishmen: Ultima was referring to this typo:...but i can assure you that my PC never shits down...Or did you purposely say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 lol thanks for clearing it 1c3d0g =P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stone Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 I'm using ZoneAlarm and it doesn't do anything bad to torrents, i never exit µTorrent before shutting down, and i've never had any problems with it, at worst case windows shows 20sec (by default) countdown dialog asking what to do with µTorrent but in 20sec µTorrent exits itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
englishmen Posted February 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 It does to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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