kokoko3k Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Well, not really a chellenge, and maybe not directly related to utorrent, but maybe some coder could explain me why...I used bitcomet since 0.57 without any problem.Now it seems that i cannot seed to some clients constantly.-I've a 10mbit HalfDuplex connection, it seems that BC starts seeding at very high speed for about 10, 15 seconds (it transfers usually 8MB) , after that... the silence.If i do a stop/start to the torrent seeds resumes for another 10/15 seconds.Ive made several tries with friends, i've made them use bitcomet 0.60 and bitcomet 0.59, no difference.In fact i think it does'nt depends from bitcomet itself, but the problem lies in the last version of the other clients !I found the problem at least with:Azureus 2.3.0.6 , but not with azureus 2.0.7.0Official 4.2.2 but not 3.x.x--> Utorrent 1.3.3 but not 1.2.2 <--What the HELL !--EDIT--I've made another try:BC0.60 vs utorrent 1.3.3 both on the same pc, same results :/Bitlord (last version) vs azureus (last version) both on the same pc, same results :/--EDIT--Here is a log generated by azureus 2.3.0.6 while trying to download4Gb torrent from BC0.60 and stuck to about 8MB:http://mydomain.pirateshost.net/azulog.zip--EDIT--I disabled internet connection, i used bitcomet tracker, and 2 clients.BC vs utorrentAll is 127.0.0.1 now...Still the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Use another client to seed. BitComet drops the requests for other clients when they request "too many" pieces (which isn't that many), which causes this exact behavior. Yet another reason why we don't like BC. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kokoko3k Posted January 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 the strange thing is that with older clients it never happened, either with utorrent.dows it means that newer clients requests more pieces ?sounds strange ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Yeah, they do. Some go insane (KTorrent) with requesting.Try seeding with a non-BC client. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kokoko3k Posted January 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 thank you VERY much, i was going crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kokoko3k Posted January 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 You are RIGHT.I tried now with a inbound speed cap on azureus and it receives very well from BC.But as i remove the cap, speed goes 0.bc0.61 is out now, problem with azureus remains, utorrent "seems" to work fine now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 .61 didn't fix anything except the DHT bug, it's gonna have the same old problems, unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixshot Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 *gasp* 0.61 is out?!!! OMG! *runs around/panic*Let the games begin... again...This makes the time between release for this one 4 months... looks like my guess was just about right... but man, did it took them FOREVER to fix 4 bugs!Okay, I'll shut up now... *goes back to lurking* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazuaki Shimazaki Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 *gasp* 0.61 is out?!!! OMG! *runs around/panic*Let the games begin... again...Well, I'd download it anyway, for the limited purposes I've already mentioned too many times already.But then, just fixing the private DHT issue might reduce its Offensiveness enough that people will allow it all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 No, it won't, most private trackers refuse to unban it because none of the other bugs and various other issues/cheating/etc weren't fixed. And there's various admins of some sites telling other admins what exactly BC does to make it deserve to stay banned, thankfully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animorc Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Firon: Isn't that a tiny bit too anti-BC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 No. And I'm not alone on this, a lot of tracker admins agree that BC has way too much bad behavior to just be unbanned now. I could get you a list of all the crap it does if you're interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animorc Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Sure, it would be interesting reading What I meant wasn't that BC should be unbanned. I just don't agree with your attitude towards the BC-developer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 He's a lazy fuck, it took him FOUR months to fix 2 bugs, and he was AWOL for like half a year or something. :mad: And most of this behavior is probably intentional, it's hard to make so many fuckups "by accident" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Switeck Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 I could get you a list of all the crap it does if you're interested. Some of it is already contained in this thread:http://forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?id=3531...and I'd like to pile as much dirt about BitComet in that thread to support my conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 OK, most of you are wondering if the BitComet ban will be lifted here, and the answer is no, and it will most likely never be unbanned here.Most of you think BitComet is "faster" than other clients, but what u don't know is the reason why.The reason why is because of its countless "cheating like" characteristics, for example:# it hamers the tracker, and pays no attention to the tracker when it tells the client how long to wait before re-announce.# when it gets snubed by another peer (basically meaning the peer refuses to give the BC client any upload because it has not been given any download from the BC client, the BC client then disconnects up to 10+ times per second to that client in an attempt to get unsnubed.# It has no (working) upload slot limit, so it makes the upload bandwith so streached out that each peer only gets a few 100 bytes per second or less.# The new encrypt header feature in BC 0.60 gave it a very unfair advantage and would basically prefer itself over uploading to other tpyes of clients. (afaik, uTorrent is working on a similar feature, but will be making it public information, so that all other clients can implement it if their authours wish to; this is the only real way for this to be effective)# If you request too many pieces from it (something around 100? or so), it drops ALL your requests.# It also abuses super-seeding by disconnecting and reconnecting to get a slot, and basically monopolize the super-seeder's bandwidth.# It has an abusive multi-tracker implementation (announces to all trackers in all tier always).# It also does stupid things when making torrents (such as not use UTF-8 as the encoding for chinese, japanese, and korean users that make torrents) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anoxan Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 lol, four months...and the author still can't get it right?bitcomet is the essence of lose.therfore, µTorrent must be the essence of win.OMG, ANALOGY TIME!!Bitcomet is the Dale Earnhardt of BitTorrent. ran other clients into walls, till it ran itself into a wall..lolnot the best, but if you live in the us, then you might know what I'm saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackLion Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 But then, just fixing the private DHT issue might reduce its Offensiveness enough that people will allow it all over again.They may, but remember....The Comet has a history, this is the third time that the Comet has been mass banned, see a pattern here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animorc Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Thanks Switek and Firon. I didn't know of the list from the tracker admin. Posted on our forums? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus_1250 Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 I hear from people they can still get around DHT/Private torrents by using both .60 and .61. .60 to get IP's from people using DHT on a private torrent and .61 to connect to the tracker and used the IP's gotten from .60? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 .61 doesn't enforce the private flag for old torrents, you have to remove and re-add them for it to do that Animorc: no, he posted it on his forums, but he does hang around our IRC channel he was discussing this yesterday with us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkman Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 BitComet still has one major advantage over µTorrent: Peer-Exchange.I'm eagerly anticipating this feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tumu Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 See this thread how useful PeX is. Not much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osm0sis Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 peer exchange is dishonest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kokoko3k Posted January 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 peer exchange ?i don't think is dishonest, azureus implements it also...why do you think so ?nat-traversal is another feature that i will miss anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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