Pongu Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 Hi allI have searched and read the FAQ but can't find the answer.I have been an user of µTorrent for some time but have lately noticed that the numbers of peers and seeds shown are not correct.This is just 1 example ...The forum / tracker reports a file as " blah_blah.avi.torrent ( Full Size: 1.59 GB, Seeders: 9, Leechers: 0"TorrentSpy reports " Complete 9" (which is correct)µTorrent reports in the general tab " Seeds 0 of 5 .. Peers 0 of 2but the numbers don't add up.Any clues please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICleolion Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 Well not only do the numbers not add up, but your showing peers in the swarm which neither website is telling you. Which leads me to assume the websites are slow on the update.But also the websites show the swarm figures. The figures you posted in your post are who you are connected to. These figures sometimes don't match, you just probably never noticed it earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pongu Posted January 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 If only it were that simple....As Sys opp I have instant access to the tracker db and can confirm that the forum is reporting the true result... as is TorrentSpyuTorrent is not only incorrect in its totals but also showing peers when non exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1c3d0g Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 Is your tracker a private tracker? If so, do all your torrents have the private flag embedded in them (and not through the announce method)? :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pongu Posted January 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 Yes and Yes... (and not in the announce but using the :privatei1eee kosher method ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1c3d0g Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 Hmm...that's weird. :| I can offer no explanation for this behaviour, unfortunately. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 All peers obtained from the tracker get lumped as peers, since the tracker does not differentiate between the two. Only when it can connect to a peer does it put it in the seed pool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pongu Posted January 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 Thank you for your reply FironOk... sooooooµTorrent does a scrape.... and then returns an result that then depends upon a connection to the peers inorder to find out as to if that peer is a seed or not !!!Ummm... please forgive my doubt, but if torrentspy can give a true answer in a matter of 1/2 a second ... and µTorrent cant even get the total correct... I am realy thinking that its µTorrent thats geting its sums wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 TorrentSpy is showing you a scrape value, µT isn't. Unless of course, the torrent is stopped (and you turned on bt.scrape_stopped), in which case the values should be identical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pongu Posted January 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 TorrentSpy is showing you a scrape value.... CorrectµT isn't............ But why isn't it... would not a scrape for the total numbers of peers on a torrent be the best way of showing what the tracker is reporting, then µTorrent could then see who is connectable..... at least the totals would be correct.The Torrent is not stopped.. but just for a laugh I did stop it, and set bt.scrape_stopped to true.My tracker shows Seeders: 11, Leechers: 1 on this torrentTorrentSpy shows the sameµTorrent shows Seeds (0)3 Peers(0)3 When I restart the torrent it still shows (0)3 (1)3 / Seeds 0 of 3 connected (0 in swarm) / Peers 1 of 3 connected (0 in swarm)and I am indeed connected and uploading to 1 peer.......At least the 1 peer is correct..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormhole Posted January 19, 2006 Report Share Posted January 19, 2006 TorrentSpy is showing you a scrape value, µT isn't. Unless of course, the torrent is stopped (and you turned on bt.scrape_stopped), in which case the values should be identical.but they're not.I've seen this lots of times. I thought its because of the tracker, but it happens on different trackers. (torrent stopped, bt.scrape_stopped turned on) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted January 19, 2006 Report Share Posted January 19, 2006 Small swarms have special behavior. I'd explain it but I'm sleepy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pongu Posted January 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2006 Thanks FironWhen you are rested.... can you please let me know at what number of < peers µTorrent goes into small special behavior mode, so I can connect to a non small torrent and test again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pongu Posted January 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2006 Just done another test on a torrent that has 37 seeds and 9 peersTorrent spy again reports correctly 37 /9 µTorrent reports 32 seeds and 14 peers .... now by a strange quirk of fate the totals do match up (46) ! And maybe just maybe.... 5 of the peers reported by µTorrent could have firewall / port issues and thus may be reporting as unconnectable so are put into peers rather than seeds !However........ Could we not have the best of both worlds ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfk505 Posted January 19, 2006 Report Share Posted January 19, 2006 i normally pay zero attention to the number of peers outside the ( X in swarm ) brackets, unless there is a peer leeching who's not in the swarm (i only use private trackers).. However, on at least half the 12 torrents I'm seeding, the number of seeds/peers in the swarm is incorrect. I know others have reported this issue with 1.4. Especially on torrents where I'm the only seed, it will show 0 in swarm for seeds.. This behavior wasnt there in 1.3 and below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaosblade Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 Also the number in the general tab ("X out of Y peers") is not a scrape value. Y would be the number of peers in uTorrent's internal list as obtained from the tracker and\or cached peers it remembered from previous sessions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pongu Posted January 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 Hmmmm....So the method µTorrent works is that it does a scrape and then does some strange and wonderfull sums with the result.So strange and wonderfull that it forgets to include somewhere the true result of the scrape.X = I'm connected toY = The number of peers in uTorrent's internal list as obtained from the tracker and\or cached peers it remembered from previous sessions, or a random value that has no bearing on reality. or not as the case maybe.May I humbly request that Y= The value returned in the scrape.Or have I lost the plot ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaosblade Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 Yes, uTorrent displays totally random values without relation to anything because it likes to piss off certain people. Happy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacquerz Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 I also have the same issue with "incorrect" number of seeders shown.Downloading the same torrent with uTorrent and Bitcomet (running at the same time, and torrents started within 5 seconds of each other on same pc) I get a different number of seeders with each client, usually higher with BitComet.Stopping the download in BitComet does not affect the seeders in uTorrent.How can the same torrent have such different statistics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacquerz Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Found something in the faq that may explain my situation:"Why does µTorrent show less DHT peers in the status bar than BitComet / Azureus?µTorrent only shows the number of DHT nodes you are directly connected to. BitComet shows peers that are more than one hop away (connected to peers you're connected to), which inflates the numbers. Azureus, on the other hand, shows an estimate of how many peers there are in the DHT network." Is this the reason why the stats are so different for the same torrent using different clients? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 No, that has nothing to do with it. And well, the way µT reports seeders on the listview is strange, I know. Just view the torrent's info on the General tab and you'll see accurate numbers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pongu Posted February 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Thank you for the reply FironBut the numbers are still not accurate in relation to the scrape.. Forum reports " Seeders: 56, Leechers: 5"Torrent Spy gives accurate result to scrape, 56 and 5µTorrent (Build 421) shows in the General Tab Seeds 40 Peers 8 (which are the same numbers as shown in the list)The HTTP response details from the tracker are.... completei56e10:incompletei5e4: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 you have to look at the ones that say "in swarm"The other values are the internal peer cache Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pongu Posted February 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Hmmmm..... Sorry Fironbut...Seeds 0 of 40 connected (0 in Swarm ) Peers 0 of 5 connected (0 in swarm) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 What's tracker status saying? If it's anything but working, that'll happen. And some trackers don't report scrape values in the announce reply, which also causes that. Of course, this is with a started torrent. If it's a stopped torrent, then it'll show 0 in swarm when the scrape fails. You may also need to turn on bt.scrape_stopped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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