Ultima Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 Hm... for people who really want to see it but disabled the underline thing for mouse clicks, press Alt, then Enter (not as a combination, but in sequence). You'll see what Firon's talking about =] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAbReAkA Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 the Active category just pwnz.. it's nice to see what are the users leeching easily instead of going through the whole list gj ludde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafi Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 Just one problem with this F7 selector: when you go back to the regular view (no categories) and you've selected any of them - you still cannot see the rest of the lines. Ii should be switch back to "all" when categories-pane is NOT active, as before... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAbReAkA Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 why? i think it shouldn't.. u just hide the panel so it doesn't take space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafi Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 Not a very friendly UI - not knowing what you are looking at ... if ludde wants to leave it so - he should at least change the window's title to reflect the selected category.I think back to "all" - may be better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted February 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 No, I like it the way it is, because I don't always want to see the All view, or the category sidebar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafi Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 As I said - nothing bad about it, except that it does not show/remind you of your filter , like good old Kazaa (bellow) may be it is possible to display it on the title like: [All-traffic] [Downloading] [Completed] and so on...Just an idea ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAbReAkA Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 i don't like the title changing.. but i agreew with the main idea to show the category somewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hofshi Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 +1 to Rafi's suggestion. It will be very convenient and will not clutter the main window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hofshi Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 In 426's changelog, what does "Change: &Exit to E&xit" mean?shortcut key, click on FileFiron, could you please elaborate on this? I didn't get it. :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefarious Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 Just one problem with this F7 selector: when you go back to the regular view (no categories) and you've selected any of them - you still cannot see the rest of the lines. Ii should be switch back to "all" when categories-pane is NOT active, as before...Indeed, after all thats what the categories panel is for, to chnage between them so u are implying activating the panel that u want it to show by categories, but if u hide the panel is cauze you don want to see categoriesFiron, could you please elaborate on this? I didn't get it. :|Im not firon but when u go into "File" menu when pressing "Alt" it highlights a letter from every action u are able to do, for "Exit" it used to higlight "E", now it higlights the "x" instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hofshi Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 thanks, Nefarious . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDude Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 What are the pros and cons of new option "always_prioritize_rare" ? Thanks ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted February 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 In normal, healthy swarms, it may reduce your speeds.In very poorly seeded swarms, it may help you out. In general, I'd say not to turn it on unless you're in very poorly seeded swarms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ares Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 @Firon: Hmm, perhaps it should be possible to enable it on a per-torrent basis, much like DHT?Just a thought.-Ares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDude Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 In some cases I have participated in swarms where it took 50% of the time to get the last 1%.The conditions:- either very small swarmsOR- larger swarms with very few seeds AND I have selected only certain files from the torrent to downloadIt would seem that utorrent should use "prioritize_rare" in those cases, and not in other cases. This seems like something the computer should figure out instead of the user - it's all math. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckerfan Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 I like this feature. I often download torrents where there are only a few seeds. If getting pieces which only the seeds have are prioritized, then the torrent will last longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avatarl Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 In normal, healthy swarms, it may reduce your speeds.In very poorly seeded swarms, it may help you out. In general, I'd say not to turn it on unless you're in very poorly seeded swarms.Could we then have this feature added for each individual torrent? I mean, I don't want to have to enable or disable this option everytime, based on the swarm size or speed. Plus, I usually download more than one torrent, so if they differ greatly in swarm size, doesn't that mean that enabling the rare piece priority will help one torrent but hinder the other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefarious Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 to be fair, it doesnt help that much either, i mean it's great for having all the pieces faster, but prioritizing rare pieces will slow-down the whole torrent no matter if it has very few peers or too many Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Levac Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Nefarious, it does just the reverse, actually. Rarest first increases overall torrent speed in this fashion: If you request only rarest, once you get one piece, all peers connected to you will want it. This will allow you to trade with many more peers which will in turn allow those peers to trade with many more peers as well.Rarest first is intended to increase piece distribution and while it does so, it increases trading between peers. Increasing trading by definition increases speed. As it is doing this, seeds will be asked fewer duplicate pieces and will save bandwidth as a result. This saving in bandwidth can then be used to further increase piece distribution and further increase overall torrent speed. If you don't get it from a seed, you'll get it from a peer through trading. If you do get it from a seed, it will be rarest and you will trade it, distributing it but also redistributing the seed's bandwidth.ExampleSeed gets request for same piece from 10 peers. Seed's bandwidth is 100kB/s. Each peer gets 10kB/s but since they all get the same piece, they can't trade with each other so they only get 10kB/s total each. Seed's bandwidth is divided only.Seed gets request for different pieces from 10 peers. Seed's bandwidth is 100kB/s. Each peer gets 10kB/s from the seed but since they all get different pieces, they can trade with each other and get back up to the seed's maximum UL bandwidth through trading. It is this trading between peers that distributes pieces throughout the swarm but it does something else, it redistributes the seed's total bandwidth between peers. Seed's bandwidth is divided first but then multiplied back up through trading.Rarest first is a fundamental principle of the way BitTorrent works. It increases piece distribution. It increases overall torrent speed. It reduces seeds' bandwidth waste. It increases availability throughout the swarm. By ricochet, it increases torrent's life time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckerfan Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 could always_prioritize_rare be enabled on a per-torrent basis. i think that would work much better than the current format, because not all torrent require this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted February 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Try it out with it on and off and see if it affects your speeds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarTrekFan Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 I just wanted to say thank you for the always_prioritize_rare feature, seems to be working great! How about turning it on by default? Martin Levac very nicely described why it's useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafi Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 ...Rarest first is intended to increase piece distribution and while it does so, it increases trading between peers....Martin, thanks for the good explanation! Let me ask your opinion , if I may, about another case:Let say I want to be able to pre-view a DLing file ASAP. Do you think it is possible to have a BT client try and download pieces (almost) sequentially ? or at least try and give priority to pieces "closer" to the beginning of the file ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted February 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 rafi: that's been asked for a lot, and been shot down repeatedly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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