ATTN: Belkin Pre-N F5D8230-4 Router users

[acetennisplayer]

hmm..i have that router, and i'm having a problem with red and yellow lights on utorrent.

its a great router, and i dont want to have to take it out either.

i've asked for help in another topic, http://forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?id=9085

as it might be a problem with the firewall ports

i connect all of this together by:

DSL line >> Netcomm NB1300 PLUS4 (router and modem) >> Belkin Pre-N Router >> My Main PC

would this be a problem??

thanks

[Firon]

You have double forwards, that's a lot more complicated to deal with. I suggest you not use the Belkin and just use the modem as a router.

[acetennisplayer]

wait wait wait, you're helping me in the other topic with my firewall ports.

so my belkin router could be a problem too? i dont believe that the wireless router has a hardware firewall as well, but not too sure.

i dont really want to take it out, are there anymore options?

[Firon]

You said you have two routers. You have to make a forward to your router from your modem, THEN forward from your router to your PC. Pain in the ass, and often doesn't work anyway. It's easier to only have one.

You can try setting the modem into bridge/gateway mode to turn off the router part, and exclusively use the belkin as a router.

[splintax]

Then why did limiting the connections fix the router's crapping out?

Probably because, like most routers, it doesn't support many connections anyway. Check how many open connections you have next time it "craps out".

vylekreature: First off, try limiting the max number of connections. Having this too high screws up a lot of routers (including, apparently, this Belkin router) and it's most likely to be causing the problem. The reason that plugging directly into the modem probably relates to IP assignment (DHCP switched off or something).

[Firon]

Turning DHT off helps as well.

[leerees]

I have the same problem (router crashes), funnily enough ALL other file sharing software works fine, guess my router really is crap if it only works with all other p2p software apart from u torrent.

Does anybody know of a lightweight p2p program similar to u-torrent?

[Firon]

"Other P2P software" being what? Are the others even the same protocol?

[PlacidBlueAlien]

@Firon: I have the same issue as leerees I imagine. Utorrent is the only torrent program that causes my router to hang and has always done so. Any other p2p program works just fine. For example, I can turn DHT on and have way more connections+torrents with Azureus without my router hanging while utorrent causes my router to stop responding without fail. The telnet script does seem to help alleviate the problem even though, to my knowledge, it doesn't accept telnet sessions. I have run emule with multiple downloads alongside ABC BT client with many active torrents without the router dropping as well. In fact, the only thing that has caused my router to hang has been utorrent oddly enough and I've tried most of the torrent clients at some point in time. Still, utorrent is by far my favourite client so I simply deal with the router problem though I have debated purchasing a new router.

In any case, even with limits on connections and no DHT and with the telnet script and whatever firmware, the netgear rp614 still continues to have problems eventually in case anyone was waiting for the results. With some firmware, it happens later than others though so you might want to try them. I might be overlooking something though so if any other rp614 user could should some light, feel free.

[icehawk77]

I have similar problems, and I have kinda pinpointed the problem. Its NOT utorrent in my case, but the p2p program I use. But the weird thing is that everything have been working for 1 year. And the past few weeks, this problem have been occuring very frequently. As in my case, once I start up the p2p program, FulDC, and I logon to a hub, it takes 10 sec and then my Belkin stops the http traffic, but everything else works fine, MSN, DC, FTP. I have no idea how to prevent this, and I am beginning to think that maybe I have to buy a new router.

So if anyone know what to do, if there is anything to do, then I would really appreciate the help. I have sent an email to Beklin support, but not answer yet, and I dont think I will get one either.

[Trapper Dave]

Mine will take about eight hours to stop all browser traffic, but some internet applications will continue to work.

The speed of the browser will deteriorate after about an hour of uTorrent being opened until it won't load any pages at all.

Does anyone have any idea as to why this occurs and how to remedy it?

[icehawk77]

Yes, I managed to fix the problem. I read it on a another forum somewhere, and they suggested to type in the DNS address manually. So I did that, the same address on both DNS 1 and DNS 2. And since then it has been working without any problems at all

[Trapper Dave]

Where was it you entered it?

[icehawk77]

I typed it in under Interner WAN -> DNS. Uncheck "Automatic from ISP" and type in your ISP'n DNS.

[Trapper Dave]

Could I get the values I need to enter by typing in "ipconfig /all" at the command prompt, or do I need to contact my ISP?

Also, would this solve the issue of the internet connection locking up while uTorrent is in use?

[icehawk77]

You can get the address from the status information on your Belkin And yes, "ipconfig /all" works too, just check under DNS Servers then

[jamiethekiller]

just signed up to say that this thread saved me lots of headaches

i have a belkin router. which one, i have no clue. probably the one thats listed here.

after installed the new uTorrent update, my internet has basically crapped out while it was active. so i haven't been able to run uTorrent for the past couple of days.

i forced the DNS addy into the router and everyting is working fine now!@

[icehawk77]

I'm glad that it worked out for you too I tried to mail Belkin "support" several times... but no answer yet. My next router will not be a Belkin, and I don't recommend anyone to buy a Belkin. No support, no customers.

[Trapper Dave]

Icehawk; did you enter the same IP address for both entries?

[icehawk77]

Yes.. same IP in both entries

[Trapper Dave]

My ISP has given me two; so I'm at a lost of which to use.

Sorry to be an idiot.

[icehawk77]

hm.. okey.. well try both and see which one works best

[jk7378]

hi can anyone help me... i am not getting the full value from u torrent my speeds are far too slow the best i had is 42kbs and i always have the yellow triangle on. my eta for downloads are always above 8 hours is this normal? i have been on portforward.com and i think i have configured my router which is a belkin F5D7230-4 i have just clicked on the" test if port is forwarded properly" button in u torrent speed page, and it came up with " Checking port 64068 on 82.40.247.203...

Error! Port 64068 does not appear to be open. i dont know where im going wrong can someone please help i havent been able to get a torrent yet!

[jaykaysaxo]

i had the problem above jk7378 but i followed the portforward.com website for creating a static ip address for the computer then in the router program its self how portforward.com describes how to forward a port dont just put TCP select both TCP/UDP this worked for me and the port forwarded

[Chain]

I have a F5D7231-4 2000 (Wireless G+ Router) - it crashes (forcing me to cycle the power on it) if someone on the network use Torrent clients.

This comes from a Technical Support Escalations Coordinator at Belkin:

It is not necessarily the case that limiting the file sharing app to 50 connections will make it work, and setting it to 51 or above will cause it to crash, however, the greater the number of simultaneous connections you allow, the higher the chances of it causing the router to crash. The reason for this is that if the programme starts trying to create loads of TCP connections to other filesharers, those connections will then wait for some kind of acknowledgement from the other end, which in trhe case of P2P software, may not be forthcoming. If that happens too often the router will see it as a Denial of Service, which it has to then block and log. If there`s too much of that going on, it can cause the router to run short of memory and crash. That is why limitng the number of connections usually helps. The exact number of connections you can allow is something you will have to play around with to determine the exact number.

As the above information makes clear, the limit is determined more by the hardware and the amount of available memory than anything else. It is therefore not possible to realease a firmware which improves things. And in any case, it is not a fault with the router as such.

To determine whether the problems you are experiencing are indeed caused by P2P software or not, please reset the router to factory defaults, set it up with encryption etc again, and leave it running for a week or so without using any P2P software from any of the clients. If it runs ok then, and only has problems when you start using file sharing software again, then that software is the cause of your problem.

Another person from Belkin (on my 3 month quest to get to someone at support to suggest something else besides 'try different cables') suggested 50 connections max as a limit. (With two people using torrents, set to 25 each, and so on). Yes, it's horribly low.

It's not a guarantee however as I have had it crash with max connections set to 25 and nothing else using the network... (!!!)

I don't really believe their claim that a rewrite of firmware couldn't fix the router crashing, but anyhow my suggestion is to stay far away from Belkin (they seem to think their routers crashing this easy is a 'feature' that doesn't need fixing). Get a linksys or something...