Uploading Stops When Download Finishes!?

[supefly]

Hi!

I'm using Utorrent in a private forum and while I download I'm uploading the same file at the same time, which is normal. As soon as the file has downloaded it stops uploading. Is it possible to upload the downloaded file without actually downloading like it was doing while downloading. Is there something I need to enable to get this to work? I understand it uploads if someone else wants to download "my" file but everytime it finishes a download the upload stops. I really don't want to get kicked out of the forum so pleeeassseeee could someone shed some light!! I appreciate it!

Regards,

Superfly

[Switeck]

Are you on a hostile ISP?

(I don't know anything about your ISP, so do a couple google searches.)

[moogly]

Or your are a member of a private tracker with a ton of fast seeds (seedboxes etc) and the peers with a small connection meet difficulties to upload especially when the number of seeders per torrent is really huge in comparison with the number of leechers.

[supefly]

You've both lost me, I can bearly burn a CD!!! What I don't understand is as soon as I've completely downloaded the file the uploading stops, why can't it just continue. The file goes to seeding after completion. Could it be that? If it's seeding it can't upload?

As you can tell I really don't understand anything about torrents even after reading the tutorials!!!

Before you ask, I'm not blonde but I do have my moments! : P

Thanks again!

Superfly

[DreadWingKnight]

Could it be that? If it's seeding it can't upload?

No.

Private trackers are plagued by an overseeding obsession that makes it impossible for regular users to keep ratios.

[Switeck]

You are running uTorrent v2.0 beta or v2.1 alpha?

[supefly]

I'll need to check when I get home but I think it's the latest one, I've had for the past two weeks now. So it is possible to only upload a file that you've downloaded! I've downloaded 5 files and all of them say seeding at this moment in time, none have been uploaded without downloading them at the same time, as soon as they're finished the upload stops. What a bummer! Damn, how can I fix this?

[DreadWingKnight]

Stop using private trackers.

[Switeck]

Illusion of net.calc_overhead = true while downloading?

[supefly]

I'm using version 1.8.5! Could that be the problem? Or something do to with ports? I'm useless at computers!!!!

[Switeck]

v1.8.5 could indeed be the problem:

http://forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?id=65094

[qiplayer]

It happened every time with bittorrent, actually I think it's the reason why the most of files we search to download arn't seeded anymore, so you won't be able to download the whole file.

To tell you I created a torrent there was no way to seed, I had to stop all the rest and create a singular exception.

Now I'm having the opposite problem, all the downloaded files are seeding, makin my harddisk very noysy. I had to stop them (that hurts!).

[Switeck]

You may be seeding too many torrents to too many people (upload slots) at once.

2nd link in my signature.

[qiplayer]

I have 8 slots open for upload. Maybe I should restart bittorent an the pc once a week :-o

Well just for feedback, it would be nice in a next version to have the possibility to decide the priority for the upload. If there will be no change torrent files will always soon get old and not be dowloadable anymore.

I will ask to my provider a higher upload speed, with the fastest dsl wich has 20'000 kbits download they give only 1000 for upload, I actually have only 500, how I'm supposed to share my video and pictures done with my new samsung pixon 12?? 3 days for a video are tooo match.

Sorry Switeck I know I'am off topic.

[Switeck]

"I have 8 slots open for upload."

Is that per torrent or total?

With ~500 kilobit/second upload, you should still be able to manage 50 KiloBYTES/second upload speed in uTorrent.

[qiplayer]

both are set to 8, at maximum I shuldn't have more than 8 active torrent. Actually there are about 15 uploads running. Cud it be because some have very low speed that they are just updating?

Yes I have 55 kbit upload, but won't ever be able to upload what I downloaded if I continue downloading with speed between 200 and 630 kbits

[tkp]

I can confirm posts above in a little bit another way... While you downloading torrent, the upload speed is OK, and number of peers as well. But as far as torrent download completes, ALMOST all peers with non-completed downloads disappearing almost instantly. After that connections do occurs but only occasionally, so uploading does not stops at all. Just very rear peers connecting. Interesting thing, that these peers still can download from you on a high speed. So the problem is not in the upload speed, but in the number of peers connecting to your already downloaded torrent.

This "problem" is known for me since long ago. I just thought this is normal, seeds fighting for peers and only very few connections can be made. But why this begins just in the moment of torrent download completion?

I have tried today 1.8.4, 1.8.5 and latest beta 2.0.x with the same result. No matter which tracker is used. And I am pretty sure this is not for connection problems. No speed limitations. Now I am looking at the torrent with 23 seeds and 52 peers and no one single connection for an hours, just clean list of peers!

[Switeck]

Advanced settings in uTorrent allow it to start additional torrents if the active ones currently are going to slowly.

qiplayer said, "Yes I have 55 kbit upload, but won't ever be able to upload what I downloaded if I continue downloading with speed between 200 and 630 kbits"

You have confused uTorrent's upload speed which is in KiloBYTES/second for connection speed which is normally shown in kilobits/second.

You have ~55 KiloBYTES/second upload in uTorrent or total for your line?

tkp,

Your ISP probably kills peer connections when you're seeding. So the moment the torrent finishes downloading, your ISP kills the peer connections.

Online tester for ISP throttling: Glasnost

Encryption-wise, you might get better results doing this:

http://forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?id=46778

or this:

http://forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?id=58714

(NOTE: Those settings were a special case for a wireless ISP, so understand them before you try them!)

[tkp]

I have 2 hi-class ISP's with fiber-optical net to the router. uTorrent PC wired to router, so no wireless probs. Tried them both with the same result during a years. And I am sure no transfer limitation exist for both as do have insiders in ISP's techs. Changed a couple of routers and a number of firmware (original and mods), but result is always the same. Ports forwarded properly, uTorrent always have green sign, online tests for open port is OK. Speedtest.net reports speeds more or less as indicated by ISP. Tried both the manual and predefined uTorrent Speed Guide connection settings.

But for sure, I have passed Glasnost test with success even without stopping uTorrent operations and other preparations. See below.

Glasnost: Test if your ISP is manipulating BitTorrent traffic

Results for your host (hst-XXX-XXX.telelanas.lt - 85.232.XXX.XXX):

Is BitTorrent traffic on a well-known BitTorrent port (6889) throttled?

The BitTorrent upload (seeding) worked. Our tool was successful in uploading data using the BitTorrent protocol.

There's no indication that your ISP rate limits your BitTorrent uploads. In our tests a TCP upload achieved at least 178 Kbps while a BitTorrent upload achieved at most 299 Kbps. You can find details here.

The BitTorrent download worked. Our tool was successful in downloading data using the BitTorrent protocol.

There's no indication that your ISP rate limits your BitTorrent downloads. In our tests a TCP download achieved at least 3283 Kbps while a BitTorrent download achieved at most 5952 Kbps. You can find details here.

Is BitTorrent traffic on a non-standard BitTorrent port (10017) throttled?

The BitTorrent upload (seeding) worked. Our tool was successful in uploading data using the BitTorrent protocol.

There's no indication that your ISP rate limits your BitTorrent uploads. In our tests a TCP upload achieved at least 224 Kbps while a BitTorrent download achieved at most 294 Kbps. You can find details here.

The BitTorrent download worked. Our tool was successful in downloading data using the BitTorrent protocol.

There's no indication that your ISP rate limits your BitTorrent downloads. In our tests a TCP download achieved at least 3758 Kbps while a BitTorrent download achieved at most 5031 Kbps. You can find details here.

Is TCP traffic on a well-known BitTorrent port (6889) throttled?

There's no indication that your ISP rate limits all downloads at port 6889. In our test, a TCP download on a BitTorrent port achieved at least 4598 Kbps while a TCP download on a non-BitTorrent port achieved at least 3758 Kbps. You can find details here.

There's no indication that your ISP rate limits all uploads at port 6889. In our test, a TCP upload on a BitTorrent port achieved at least 419 Kbps while a TCP upload on a non-BitTorrent port achieved at least 224 Kbps. You can find details here.

Add1: Interesting thing... Just removed the torrent from uTorrent and re-download the torrent file, and got upload instantly at ~550 kB/s! Tracker states that torrent file is the same as was downloaded previously (visible by date). It is not clean experiment, so if upload will stop again, I will try to remove and add the same torrent file (will take a copy from temp).

Add2: Nope. After peer downloaded the full file, upload stopped, peer naturally gone and no other peers connections. Removed and re-added the same torrent did not helped this time. So it could be occasionally connected peer. Now there are 12 seeds and 50 peers for this torrent and no single connection for me to upload. Starting to think again that this is NORMAL for torrent p2p network. Just can think of wishing more aggressive uTorrent fighting for peers to upload.

Add3: After a few hours still no uploading, but... seeds 4, peers 2. Maybe this is real actual numbers. Then no uploading is OK. But why there were so many seeds and peers a few hours earlier (torrent is put on tracker at least 2 days ago, so no "new torrent" consequences)? DHT?

[Switeck]

The Peer/Seed counts reported by all sources include ones that are dead, firewalled, or duplicates (Some peers/seeds may have a IPv4 and IPv6 or multiple IPv4 internet paths.)

Generally, in private trackers seeding is very hard...as you're fighting with seedboxes that might be on 100 mbit/sec or even 1 gbit/sec symmetric lines.

[tkp]

I think you are right. I have 100 mbit/sec connection with 2:1 uploading ratio and generally I have no problems with keeping my tracker ratio high. Nevertheless, there are difference seeding while downloading and then completed. And this difference is visible. And as I can see not only for me.

Anyway, thank you for clarification. I think it is good idea to study bittorrent network a little bit deeply.

[Switeck]

I can't see your uTorrent settings, but I imagine if you had very high half open rates (and unreliable networking) that it might cause peer disconnects when you become a seed.

[tkp]

My uTorrent net.max_halfopen was set to default 8 and no tcpip.sys hack applied. Now tried to set tcpip.sys to 100, and net.max_halfopen to 80. Will see what will happen. I know, this is just opposite to what you have advised, but worth a try. Thanks.

[Switeck]

You'd need to monitor Logger window/tab to see if that's really helping or just increasing the connection crash rate.

[tkp]

What log exactly should I monitor for connection crash rate? What I should or should not to see there?