PeerFactor+utorrent?

[Firon]

go obscure usenet stuff

[ludde]

bugmenot, maybe you should get more informed? Here's one article for a start: http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8158

[silverfire]

Please read that article and digg here: http://digg.com/software/%C2%B5Torrent_1.5_Interview_3

[Zarniwoop]

Did anyone notice that PF announced 16.3. some details about the software itself

http://www.peerfactor.fr/PeerFactor_HD_en.pdf

[torrentcrazy]

Has any one else noticed less utorrent clients in their peer list? I've never seen utorrent as the majority in the 1st place (always Azureus or Bitcomet, what the hell are those ppl thinking?), but there were always many utorrent peers there. Now there seems to be less, but I could just be paranoid.

Utorrent should be dominating the peer list with it's heavy weight functionality at a welter weight size; do mofos not comprehend how bada$$ this lil mofo really is? I hope this PF bs hasn't ran users away. I gave the Slyck writer a piece of my mind in the article's thread on their forums.

[Firon]

Looks the same to me, but I mostly use private sites.

[mountainmachine]

Don't know if this has already been posted or not, but found this;

http://test.blocklist.org/ranges/3482224685

Obviously if u think utorrent site shouldnt be blocked vote allowed etc, and blocked, em well just dont bother as you shouldnt be reading this! :-P

[Kazuaki Shimazaki]

I can't register on that stupid site for some reason. I'm sure I typed in that stupid card correctly, and they still won't let me register.

[legumo]

i believe uTorrent developer when he says no malware is in the software

and he doesnt support Anti-P2P.

however i decided to block uTorrent on my firewall and tested

for the first time AZUREUS (installed Java 5.0 too...bah)..

strangely enough i get superb speeds with Azureus in Beginner Mode

with Encryption RC4-160 enabled, almost double of what i used to

get with uTorrent.

another thing is when i logged in private tracker website

the torrent i wanted had 12 seeds, so i got the torrent, loaded in

uTorrent and after 30 min at miserable 18kb/s he found 7(7) seeds.

stopped uTorrent and loaded Azareus, guess what?

12(12) seeds and connected to 11(12) at 47kb/s.

Java and Azureus didnt slow my pc at all.

so while i believe STRAUSS (or whatever the name of uTorrent developer) (sorry),

i'll stop using uTorrent and keep the excellent Azureus, it gives peace of mind

since it's Open Source, it's super-fast, and while its a memory hog

i dont notice anything.

Thanks for uTorrent, it used to be a superb client,

at least until i tested Azureus. no going back.

Goodbye guys.

[StoicJester]

just a comment. all these people who love open source and stuff? how many of you can actually look at source code and figure out whether something is good or bad? and if you can't, have you found some respected authority that you trust that can tell figure it out for you? if µTorrent went open source it wouldn't matter to me at all because i'd have no clue what to do with it. i'd have to get someone else to interpret it for me, and i trust ludde to do that. i gather he's somewhat familiar with the code.

[Ultima]

Hm... open source... Windows... interesting.

Anyway, Azureus is a good client, so all you lose is a massive amount of resources, but since you don't seem to notice that side-effect, it doesn't really matter in your case (I guess).

[legumo]

when you get Azureus from its main homepage, no MALWARE will ever

come to you because Open Source, that means even though i dont

know how to program, i can give the "source" to somebody that does,

a professional and ask him to have a look at it.

with uTorrent i cannot do this, that's why uTorrent can be suspect

even if it doesnt contain or will ever contain anything bad.

would you sign a contract without reading it?

signing one without reading it then that's CLOSED SOURCE,

reading a contract = OPEN SOURCE.

XVID is open source, AZUREUS is, 7-ZIP is, FFDSHOW is and so on...

and everytime these software have beaten all other closed source

programs in the head. especially for QUALITY.

XVID beats DIVX, you pay for DIVX and aint half as good

oh and DIVX even added SPYWARE/MALWARE in old versions,

and in new ones they added the "optional" GOOGLE BAR,

which one would i trust?

the one that is free, and dont bundle anything, or the one i pay

my hard earned money and get spyware?

uTorrent is high quality software no doubt and FREE, but after trying Azureus

i can say uTorrent got a long way to go yet to be at the same level

regardless of how much RAM you save by using uTorrent

and since AZ is open source even better.

we going to hear bad things about uTorrent (true or fake),and most

closed source software.... but we aint going

for AZUREUS and Open Source softwares. that's why i choose open source.

the government can take their experts and take a look at AZUREUS CODE

anytime. now that's great.

one last thing is this:

i do believe uTorrent developer with all my heart,

but for whatever reason better safe than sorry.

and i repeat...uTORRENT is super quality programming

ruined by a few things.

why not use then BITCOMET?

i could but Azureus works best for me.

and just in case....Azureus supports Mac OS X and that

says it all for MAC users.

some more stuff:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Source

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azureus

[Ultima]

The choice is yours to make, and in the end, if you can bear with the added tax on your computer (regardless of whether you feel the difference), then you're not really losing that much. Azureus is an excellent client, just like µTorrent.

Watch out for Microsoft (if you're using Windows) or Apple (if you're using Mac) ;P

[Primus]

when you get Azureus from its main homepage, no MALWARE will ever

come to you because Open Source, that means even though i dont

know how to program, i can give the "source" to somebody that does,

a professional and ask him to have a look at it.

I can do the same sort of analysis on a closed source program as well. Just because I can't see the source of the program doesn't mean I can't disassemble it, watch its open threads and handles, or log its network traffic. And what's to say that your professional friend doesn't make a mistake, or miss something in the code? Or that the programmer is really REALLY good and hides something bad where it is nearly impossible to find?

All you're accomplishing is moving the trust model around. If you're not a programmer, you have to trust someone that is to confirm that the open source project is ok. That's no different from trusting the programmer of a closed source project. It ain't you, so you can't ever fully trust them no matter what you think.

with uTorrent i cannot do this, that's why uTorrent can be suspect

even if it doesnt contain or will ever contain anything bad.

would you sign a contract without reading it?

signing one without reading it then that's CLOSED SOURCE,

reading a contract = OPEN SOURCE.

Anti-closed-source FUD, and a horrible analogy to boot. Just because you can read the contract doesn't mean you understand what the legalese means. And now you're back to trusting an outside party again.

XVID is open source, AZUREUS is, 7-ZIP is, FFDSHOW is and so on...

and everytime these software have beaten all other closed source

programs in the head. especially for QUALITY.

You've used uTorrent, so that means you're using Windows directly or via an emulator like WINE. My money's on directly. Windows is a closed source OS, yet you trust it enough to run it. And that's a much bigger risk than one small program. So you've already given up your point. If you're really this zealous about open source, you should be running Linux or a BSD or the like.

i do believe uTorrent developer with all my heart,

but for whatever reason better safe than sorry.

and i repeat...uTORRENT is super quality programming

ruined by a few things.

why not use then BITCOMET?

Two final things.

1) Stop throwing around strawmen like that.

2) If Azureus works better for you then awesome. I've got no problems with that. I used Azureus for a long time before switching to uTorrent, and I've got a kick-ass machine with a gig of RAM. But take a few deep breaths and step off the "Open Source Will Save The World" soapbox. Open source projects are great and have a lot of uses. (Hell, I just went through the diffs on the new sendmail build today to see what the security fixes actually were, since Sendmail's advisory was so freaking vague.) But open source does not automatically equal quality. Open source does not automatically equal safety. And especially, open source does not automatically equal BETTER.

[Ultima]

Excellently put Primus, I didn't feel like getting into the whole open vs closed source debate all over, so I just mentioned Windows xD

[legumo]

when you get Azureus from its main homepage' date=' no MALWARE will ever

come to you because Open Source, that means even though i dont

know how to program, i can give the "source" to somebody that does,

a professional and ask him to have a look at it.[/quote']

I can do the same sort of analysis on a closed source program as well. Just because I can't see the source of the program doesn't mean I can't disassemble it, watch its open threads and handles, or log its network traffic. And what's to say that your professional friend doesn't make a mistake, or miss something in the code? Or that the programmer is really REALLY good and hides something bad where it is nearly impossible to find?

All you're accomplishing is moving the trust model around. If you're not a programmer, you have to trust someone that is to confirm that the open source project is ok. That's no different from trusting the programmer of a closed source project. It ain't you, so you can't ever fully trust them no matter what you think.

with uTorrent i cannot do this, that's why uTorrent can be suspect

even if it doesnt contain or will ever contain anything bad.

would you sign a contract without reading it?

signing one without reading it then that's CLOSED SOURCE,

reading a contract = OPEN SOURCE.

Anti-closed-source FUD, and a horrible analogy to boot. Just because you can read the contract doesn't mean you understand what the legalese means. And now you're back to trusting an outside party again.

XVID is open source, AZUREUS is, 7-ZIP is, FFDSHOW is and so on...

and everytime these software have beaten all other closed source

programs in the head. especially for QUALITY.

You've used uTorrent, so that means you're using Windows directly or via an emulator like WINE. My money's on directly. Windows is a closed source OS, yet you trust it enough to run it. And that's a much bigger risk than one small program. So you've already given up your point. If you're really this zealous about open source, you should be running Linux or a BSD or the like.

i do believe uTorrent developer with all my heart,

but for whatever reason better safe than sorry.

and i repeat...uTORRENT is super quality programming

ruined by a few things.

why not use then BITCOMET?

Two final things.

1) Stop throwing around strawmen like that.

2) If Azureus works better for you then awesome. I've got no problems with that. I used Azureus for a long time before switching to uTorrent, and I've got a kick-ass machine with a gig of RAM. But take a few deep breaths and step off the "Open Source Will Save The World" soapbox. Open source projects are great and have a lot of uses. (Hell, I just went through the diffs on the new sendmail build today to see what the security fixes actually were, since Sendmail's advisory was so freaking vague.) But open source does not automatically equal quality. Open source does not automatically equal safety. And especially, open source does not automatically equal BETTER.

i have no problem with what you said at all.

but your thing doesnt hold water.

OPENGL is opensource and its as famous and BETTER

than DirectX, then why not everyone use it?

because Microsoft owns Windows and DirectX is

part of windows.

so game developers prefer to make M$ happy and earn money,

some very smart people like ID SOFTWARE used OPENGL regardless

and created DOOM 3, a fantastic game that rivals most engines

using DirectX.

again XVID is better than DIVX, 90% of all video warez are XVID,

do you think a cracker cannot use a cracked version of DIVX 6

if it was good and do DVDRIPS?

nope, XVID quality is better!

guess what....WINRAR....support compress to RAR and ZIP only,

yet 7-ZIP another perfect OPEN SOURCE software can compress

in 7Z and many many other formats.

you can get POWERARCHIVER (pay for it) and does the same

as 7-ZIP but why when you can get it free and without

installing crap. ??

i could go on about OPEN SOURCE quality, but i have no intention

and or the time. because we're traveling in the same train

but on different routes.

just dont think im not keeping an eye on uTorrent

i might and most probably will change my mind in the future

if all goes well because i loved uTorrent.

in the meantime, AZUREUS is with me, i'm happy with it

and i trust it.......don't ask.....i just do.

the developers have nothing to do with PEERFACTOR

and thats enough.

a killer can go to prison, but many killers once out

go on a killing spree again.

Peerfactor is such a company i dont trust

and since Ludvig had the "brilliant" idea to even

talk to those guys to make a couple of $$

then to me uTorrent becomes a suspect as well.

do i trust uTorrent? NO, do i trust ludvig? YES

do i care about uTorrent when there are 10000

alternatives? MAYBE.

why i dont use uTorrent if i trust Ludvig then?

i dont know. must be paranoia.

or perhaps intelligence.

time will tell.

in the meantime...choices have to be smart,

and for a guy that created the most incredible

torrent software around i can only say Ludvig choice

was not a smart one, or perhaps for him

but not for most of us.

.DLL my a$$.

[Primus]

OPENGL is opensource and its as famous and BETTER

than DirectX, then why not everyone use it?

because Microsoft owns Windows and DirectX is

part of windows.

so game developers prefer to make M$ happy and earn money,

some very smart people like ID SOFTWARE used OPENGL regardless

and created DOOM 3, a fantastic game that rivals most engines

using DirectX.

What did I tell you about strawmen? You've got about 7 here, starting with OpenGL being better than DirectX. It ain't. Not anymore. Hasn't really been since the advent of DirectX 8, and it's certainly not with DirectX 9.

Your argument also has nothing to do with open source versus closed source.

again XVID is better than DIVX, 90% of all video warez are XVID,

do you think a cracker cannot use a cracked version of DIVX 6

if it was good and do DVDRIPS?

nope, XVID quality is better!

Yeah, there's a winning argument. Open source is better because pirates use it for making warez!

Please explain to me in detail how XVID is better than DIVX, without using piracy as an argument. Having actually made conversions of DVDs to AVIs for some time, I breathlessly await your response.

guess what....WINRAR....support compress to RAR and ZIP only,

yet 7-ZIP another perfect OPEN SOURCE software can compress

in 7Z and many many other formats.

you can get POWERARCHIVER (pay for it) and does the same

as 7-ZIP but why when you can get it free and without

installing crap. ??

Another argument that has nothing to do with open source. Your logic is running like this:

7-Zip supports more formats than WinRAR.

7-Zip is Open Source.

e.g., Open Source is better.

Um...HUH? Anyone else see that train derail?

I don't hear you singing the praises of gzip compression, a fully open source compression algorithm used for years in the UNIX world. It doesn't support other formats at all.

i could go on about OPEN SOURCE quality, but i have no intention

and or the time. because we're traveling in the same train

but on different routes.

And I could go on and on about bad open source quality. I've seen a lot of slipshod projects out there. phpNuke anyone? Freaking security holes you can fly 747s through.

You completely ignored what I said earlier, and are continuing on the Blind Open Source Zealotry bandwagon.

the developers have nothing to do with PEERFACTOR

and thats enough.

AH-HA! Finally, the real reason for these misplaced rants. You're another person who's pissed because ludde made a deal with an ex-anti-p2p company which is trying to go straight, and just using the open source mantra as justification.

Peerfactor is such a company i dont trust

and since Ludvig had the "brilliant" idea to even

talk to those guys to make a couple of $$

then to me uTorrent becomes a suspect as well.

do i trust uTorrent? NO, do i trust ludvig? YES

do i care about uTorrent when there are 10000

alternatives? MAYBE.

why i dont use uTorrent if i trust Ludvig then?

Yet you continue to trust other closed source applications, as well as open source ones like Azureus, even though you yourself have said you're not a programmer. What's the difference here? Ah, ludde sold his DLL implementation of the BT protocol.

I LOVE the righteous indignation of the slighted pirate. I'm gonna download porn and music and movies illegally but DON'T YOU DARE EVEN CONSIDER PUTTING SPYWARE IN MY PROGRAM BECAUSE THAT'S UNETHICAL!

.DLL my a$$.

Do us a favor. Stop hiding behind open source's skirts on this one. You do a terrible job of arguing for it.

[1c3d0g]

Well fucking said, Primus. Enough! If people don't want to use µTorrent, GTFO! :/

[Wind~oz]

'Bugmenot' you don't even register or respect the rules so go back where you started ...

Legumo i feel pain because you lose my consideration and you look now pathetic and obviously paranoid.

I suspect you are doing illegal things ... like bugmenot users ;-)

Your badly argue about Malware so don't say you trust Ludde anymore ...

Obviously you know nothing about "Tiger" and Java, a technology developed by Sun Microsystems ( evil isn't it ? Sun Microsystems Sun, Inc. NASDAQ: SUNW is a vendor and headquartered on the west campus of Agnews Developmental Area in Santa Clara, California, which was formerly an asylum look @ wikipedia ;-)

Even if i love free software & open source ( two different things ) i feel closed source is a respectable developper choice too.

So use or use not it is your choice but don't complain !

Anyway I second all what Primus perfectly sum up before... nothing more to say !

I am voting for closing ( or at least moderating ) this thread now ... since it looks insane ;-)

Btw I drop Java and Azureus long ago after being compromised ... many security flaws you know we live in a dangerous world ;-(

lol Ice ;-)

[Firon]

XviD actually is better than DivX 5, and it's been proven. DivX 6 is about the same as XviD.

CoreAVC (a closed source codec) is about 2 times faster and far superior to the ffmpeg's H.264 decoder (which is open source). CCE and TMPGEnc are the best MPEG-2 encoders, while libavcodec's MPEG-2 encoder is subpar at best. NVIDIA's PureVideo decoder is FAR faster than libmpeg2, yet it's closed source. FAAC is an open source AAC encoder, but the quality is extremely poor, and gets trounced by basically every closed source AAC codec. Ogg vorbis, on the other hand, is an open source audio codec, and has the best audio quality at bitrates >64 (for 2-channel audio). There's more cases, but I don't really wanna think more.

Open source and closed source have absolutely no bearing on the quality of software, nor does it give you any real indication on the security or nature of it, because most people just don't examine the source or even compile it themselves. It's really very easy to see if a closed source app is doing something malicious, about as easy as it is to see if an open source one is too.

[hendrix]

why is everyone going on and on about piracy??.. I am a "pirate".. I download some movies/albums/whatever.. and i bet that 99% of u do it too (dont even try to deny it!)!!

My point is.. Dont use piracy as a argument to knock someone down!

[Ramius]

What a mess.

It is funny to see much of the p2p community behave like paranoid teenagers. Hm, maybe because they ARE paranoid teenagers.

One cannot say for certain whether Ludde turned eeevil or not. I don't believe, it, really, and don't care much unless something eeevil appears in utorrent. And if it ever does, we will all know it almost instantly, so why such panic.

I don't care if the user base gets smaller because of it, as, as i understand it, Ludde makes this client for fun and a sense of accomplishement. Therefore, even if i am just one of the few who use it, I won't care, as it is great client that is really friendly to my old hardware. I just worry that this ridiculous witch hunt might discourage Ludde from further developement of utorrent.

Keep up the good work Ludde, what you have done so far is amazing!

[winMX_67]

It is funny to see much of the p2p community behave like paranoid teenagers. Hm, maybe because they ARE paranoid teenagers.

Paranoid teenagers?

Hm..never heard of one.

[legumo]

xvid is better than Divx. period

when i say better means encoding your own dvd's with 2 pass

etc, xvid quality is great and maybe only Divx 6 gets near but

we do know you gotta pay for divx.

it's not that because pirates use Xvid then Xvid is great,

but because pirates have that thing they love to release

HIGH QUALITY releases so why dont they use DIVX?

reason - XVID quality = better. and because i used XVID

to encode my own things i state again...XVID is better.

to end my discussion and since i dont want to waste my time nor yours

1 - i wont use uTorrent

2 - i love Azureus - reasons - fastest (download/upload)/open source/most supported client around.

3 - peerfactor straight or not going straight, is a bad choice.

4 - i might not read back your replies.

5 - i dont care what you think of me, cause i sure know what i

think of you too.

open source vs closed source is like ATI vs NVIDIA fanboys,

theres no way i'll convince you and no way you'll convince

me even if we both are right.

bye.

[Primus]

open source vs closed source is like ATI vs NVIDIA fanboys,

theres no way i'll convince you and no way you'll convince

me even if we both are right.

Exactly. Except if you notice in my posts, I never said that closed source was better than open source. Ever. I said that open source isn't automatically better because it's open source. Both methods have their merit.

What I'm jumping all over you for is your blind open source fanaticism. Your quote above demonstrates that quite visibly. The very fact that you say "no way you'll convince me" means you're a zealot. And THAT is what's bad.