utorrent, voip, qos

[coo4632]

I have been trying to configure utorrent and my qos to be friendly with my voip.

Details about my setup... telus optic internet.. they do not throttle torrents and torrenting works fine.

Telus router set to nat only. Encryption is disabled in utorrent.

Router is an azus rt-n16. This is a gigabit router with plenty of power.

Firmware is Tomato Firmware v1.28.9054 MIPSR2-beta K26 USB Ext

Voip is Magic Jack plus pluged into the router.

I cannot control which ports my voip uses but I have set them in qos for highest priority.

I have read a ton of posts.

I have set up my qos as optimally as possible and it does help, however utorrent seeding is my problem not downloading and utorrent does not allow me to specify outbound ports.

It appears to me that utorrent always uses the highest priority ports for a large portion of its traffic interfering with my voip quality.

I look at the usage graphs and see what ports utorent is using.

I hear that utorrent likes 2000 to 5000, so I set those to lower priority but I see it using 60000 to 65000 so I set that to lower as well. Since changing that, then it uses 55000-60000. I changed that now it uses some of the same ports as my mj.

Clearly, QOS cannot work.

Changing the number of connections does not fix my problem, what does work is pausing all seeds or reducing my global out speed substantially.

Why doesn't utorrent allow me to qos properly?

This is very limewire like activity.

This is what discourages people from seeding and setting their seed rate low.

I would be fine if there were an option to lower my bandwidth automatically when I am on the phone which is not that often, but when I need my phone, I need the best quality possible.

I am all for supporting the community, but at what cost?

I see others suffering these same issues, could the developer community please help us out?

Thanx

[DreadWingKnight]

Are you done cross-posting and thread hijacking yet?

http://forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?id=15992

[coo4632]

I had no Idea I was... do you have a solution for my problem?

Since you seem to know all the threads, instead of informing me that I have committed some great crime here, you could just point me in the right direction.

I do see that my transfer speeds were not listed.

According to DSL reports, I get about 4506 kbps down and 653 kbps up.

Voip is not a huge bandwidth hog.

I am not a techie and I do not generally troll the forums.

I would not post unless I thought I had a legitimate issue.

Also, I have definitely tried to solve it on my own first.

[DreadWingKnight]

According to DSL reports, I get about 4506 kbps up and 653 kbps down.

Link your results image with NO torrents running.

[coo4632]

I paused utorrent and disabled qos for this

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I hope the image works as I have never posted one before.

[DreadWingKnight]

Choose the /640kbit (or lower) option from the speed guide

[coo4632]

I suppose that means, no fix, drop your bandwidth.

I am trying to qos because I want to keep my bandwidth up.

Sharing makes the world go around.

Thanks for trying to help tho

[DreadWingKnight]

Do you have uTP enabled or not?

[bob1324]

If you look at:

http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/index.php?option=com_chart&Itemid=&chart=124

You see that your router has a much to low

Maximum Simultaneous Connections

Your router is not suited fot torrenting.

Had the same problem with a zyxel.

I bought a vigor 2130VN.

[coo4632]

Thanx, cool website, will definitely check it out on a new router purchase.

Two questions though.

They tested using the stock firmware, does it not make any difference that I upgraded to tomato usb?

This router does have quite a bit of memory and speed.

Also, will reducing my maximum connections bellow 200 in utorrent make a difference?

Edit.. I have tried reducing my maximum connections to only 100 and 10 peers per torrent as well as max 4 torrents at a time and no difference even with only 30 peers connected.

If I drop my seed bandwidth by 40 kB/s which is about half my seeding bandwidth, the voip is pretty good even if I keep the maximum connections high.

I usually never seed more than 3 torrents at a time anyway.

I am not averse to buying a new router if I can get one with a good qos or 3rd party upgrade firmware if that will actually solve my issue.

The rtn-56u looks good, but not upgradable and I have had problems with factory firmwares before.

[DreadWingKnight]

Do you have uTP enabled or not?

[coo4632]

yes, utp is enabled

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[DreadWingKnight]

Then you can probably adjust net.utp_receive_target_delay and net.utp_target_delay in advanced down to 70-80 from their defaults to increase the clawback that uTorrent does when the connection gets congested.

[coo4632]

thank you I have set them both to 70 and the delay on the phone is better, however voice still cuts in and out like a bad cb signal

Any other advanced settings I can do.. I have never changed any of them because I do not know what does what and would probably have a mess

[DreadWingKnight]

depending on conditions, you MAY be able to take the delay targets down to 50, but that may massively impact your own speeds.

You may also need to apply the rate limit to uTP connections (preferences - bandwidth) to get it to take your speeds down low enough to play nice.

If you have the stateful packet inspection firewall enabled in your router, disable it.

[coo4632]

Excellent, I will try some settings, but just in a couple of test calls, I have found that using these settings, if I reduce my upload bandwidth minimally, it seems to give me much better call quality. Will have to test it out more extensively as voip can vary considerably from call to call.

By the way, I already had apply to over head and apply to connections enabled.

Thank you very much, your help is really appreciated.

[coo4632]

Well, I've done some testing on call quality while it is not an exact thing because I have to go by what I hear, but while at first, it appeared that setting the target delay helped but on further testing it really seems to make very little difference. I have tried down to 50. It seems to make no real difference between 50 and 100. I had high hopes that this was working. I suppose I spoke too soon.

I can drop my bandwidth manually when I make a call, but never know when I will receive a call.

If there was some way I could make qos work, it would be ideal. I could try the tomato forums, but really qos relies on controlling the ports so that's kind of pointless.

As far as my router not being capable of enough smultaneous connections, It doesn't appear to be the problem as I can limit the number with no effect. I should mention that I have tried running limewire and utorrent simultaneously without sharing issues and lime uses tons more connections than utorrent. I will still consider a new router though, but doubt that will make the difference.

It always seems to come back to me limiting my upload speed when on the phone.