rafi Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 it does start downloading normally after some minutesSustained state is what counts... Time to start learning how to control your AV/Firewall tools instead of them controlling you...http://forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?id=7862 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailAlistair Posted May 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 This is how uTorrent should workThis is how uTorrent works with Windows Defender and Windows FirewallWith Windows Firewall onlyAnd this is with Kaspersky Internet SecurityThis is clearly NOT a problem of Kaspersky. Even with only Windows Firewall enabled uTorrent does nothing for almost 10 minutes. And I am testing with files of relative small size (40GB all together). If uTorrent was a paid app I would be screaming for a hot fix.Anyway I will re-install Kas and run as Administrator. It's the best option for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailAlistair Posted May 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 Just for future reference: running uTorrent as Administrator alone does not solve the disk overload. I also had to use rafi's settings.So the solutions for this problem I know about are:1 - use rafi's settings and set uTorrent to run as Administrator (suggested) 2 - or enable diskio sparse files in advanced options Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafi Posted May 9, 2013 Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 2 - or"or" or 'and' my settings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS2000 Posted May 9, 2013 Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 Just for future reference: running uTorrent as Administrator alone does not solve the disk overload. I also had to use rafi's settings.So the solution for this problem I know about are:1 - use rafi's settings and set uTorrent to run as Administrator (suggested) 2 - or enable diskio sparse files in advanced optionsnot from the administrator and when using the account of the administrator built in system.under these conditions the appeal to a disk will be minimum irrespective of the size a file torrent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailAlistair Posted May 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 2 - or"or" or 'and' my settings?To solve the problem either you have to enable sparse files OR you have to use rafi's settings in combination to running uTorrent as administrator. According to my tests you don't need to use rafi's settings if you enable sparse files. My suggestions is to run uTorrent as administrator and use Rafi's settings, sparse files can be messy. Better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XBK Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 I can confirm that for the most cases the problem with disk overload is caused by some weird change in file access rights handling with Windows 8. I was forced to switch to Vuze some months ago when I couldn't fix this problem with uTorrent, and found out that basically the same thing was happening with it. The funny part is that, when uTorrent just gives 100% disk load when running in a user mode, Vuze starts giving out random file access errors (flush fail, access denied, file used by another application etc.). Again, solved it by setting the startup settings to Admin-only.Note: nothing changes even if you turn the UAC off completely, if you're on admin account, if you set file access rights manually - only forcefully starting the client as admin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donno Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 Ive tried everything in this thread, cant get anything to work.I run build 29544 (tried dozens, from 1.6.1 all the way up). Changed all settings to basically anything. Right now I'm running rafi's settings file. As administrator as well. Tried the sparse files thing before this, same deal.Even with 128MB disk cache utorrent keeps using more and more ram until it crashes. It never really writes to the disk it feels like, if I monitor RAM usage in task manager it goes up as fast as I download. Problem occurs at all speeds really too, from 2MB to 25 MB/s. I am getting desperate, Ive tried other clients but as reported they get similar errors. Do I really have to get a linux box to be able to keep using torrents?Edit: Seems to be a problem with my Raid Drive, or related to it. I wonder if it's just me or a error related to utorrent though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreadWingKnight Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 donno, uninstall nvidia forceware network access manager. Your issue isn't related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donno Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 donno, uninstall nvidia forceware network access manager. Your issue isn't related.I wish it would be this easy but I'm sorry I've never heard of that program. Only thing Nvidia related I have installed is Nvidia PhysX. No Nvidia hardware either.What about AVG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailAlistair Posted May 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 Ive tried everything in this thread, cant get anything to work.I run build 29544 (tried dozens, from 1.6.1 all the way up). Changed all settings to basically anything. Right now I'm running rafi's settings file. As administrator as well. Tried the sparse files thing before this, same deal.Even with 128MB disk cache utorrent keeps using more and more ram until it crashes. It never really writes to the disk it feels like, if I monitor RAM usage in task manager it goes up as fast as I download. Problem occurs at all speeds really too, from 2MB to 25 MB/s. I am getting desperate, Ive tried other clients but as reported they get similar errors. Do I really have to get a linux box to be able to keep using torrents?Edit: Seems to be a problem with my Raid Drive, or related to it. I wonder if it's just me or a error related to utorrent though.Have you tried downloading on another drive? You get disk overload all the time and you see your RAM slowly filling? Then it's different from the problem I had.In any case, try to disable your Internet Security or Antivirus and see if something changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donno Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 Ive tried everything in this thread' date=' cant get anything to work.I run build 29544 (tried dozens, from 1.6.1 all the way up). Changed all settings to basically anything. Right now I'm running rafi's settings file. As administrator as well. Tried the sparse files thing before this, same deal.Even with 128MB disk cache utorrent keeps using more and more ram until it crashes. It never really writes to the disk it feels like, if I monitor RAM usage in task manager it goes up as fast as I download. Problem occurs at all speeds really too, from 2MB to 25 MB/s. I am getting desperate, Ive tried other clients but as reported they get similar errors. Do I really have to get a linux box to be able to keep using torrents?Edit: Seems to be a problem with my Raid Drive, or related to it. I wonder if it's just me or a error related to utorrent though.[/quote']Have you tried downloading on another drive? You get disk overload all the time and you see your RAM slowly filling? Then it's different from the problem I had.In any case, try to disable your Internet Security or Antivirus and see if something changes.It's probably my raid drive yes, sometimes it gets really slow and weird. Gotta buy new stuff to fix it and transfer a lot of data etc. But perhaps there could be a work around for downloading to it too, I would love if someone could give me some pointers or I can supply more info if anyone has any ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailAlistair Posted May 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 It's probably my raid drive yes, sometimes it gets really slow and weird. Gotta buy new stuff to fix it and transfer a lot of data etc. But perhaps there could be a work around for downloading to it too, I would love if someone could give me some pointers or I can supply more info if anyone has any ideas.If you are running a Raid 0, then It's very likely that one of your drive is failing. Hard drives fail very often, Raid 0 hard drives fail almost always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamer77ddd Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 I have the same problem.I thought it might have been because i am using a laptop hard drive that was causing the problem.I thought my hard drive was not fast enough to write what was being download and ending up overloading.Everything that has been said has matched what i have experienced.which suggest it not just me and my hard drive.If i go on the tab beside tracker, which says Speed.Go to the drop down menu where it says download upload.Go down the list and you will see Disk Statistics.When downloading the cache fills up right away.It doe snot seem to matter what settings i change it Advance/Disk cache I have the same problem.I hope we get to the root of the problem.I never feel like the cache ever empties or knows to empty but continues to fill up, or filled right away.Becomes stuffed and does not do anything after that.I wish i could send you data report with all the necessary information needed to improve Utorrent, Like they do for browsers.For me I am not good at sending in bug reports.I wish there was an easier way for me to help.I know enough about PC and software and tried everything said.I am learning all the time. I hope i can help.I am running Utorrent 3.4 Alpha (build 29535)Windows 7 64bit, 4gig ram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciaobaby Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 I hope we get to the root of the problem.The root of the problem is that uTorrent is writing too much data, too quickly and the drive interface cannot push it to the disk fast enough, so the FILO buffer gets above the set threashold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailAlistair Posted May 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 I hope we get to the root of the problem.The root of the problem is that uTorrent is writing too much data, too quickly and the drive interface cannot push it to the disk fast enough, so the FILO buffer gets above the set threashold.Ho, please! Internal hard drives should not get overloaded so easily, they can usually write at least at 100MB/s, you would need a 1Gbit/s connection to overload! I don't think he lives in Kansas City.Disk Overload is not an hardware problem (unless rare cases in which the HDD is failing), it is an uTorrent problem and YOU KNOW IT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciaobaby Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 Nope, If it was purely a uTorrent problem EVERY USER would be having the same problems, as this is NOT the case it is THE ENVIRONMENT that uTorrent is running in that is causing the overloading.I have TWO different clients running different jobs to the SAME drive (SATA II) with ABSOLUTELY NO overloading problems AT ALL.Get your settings right and the problems will GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamer77ddd Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 I do not think every Utorrent user will come to the forums to report this problem but just accept it.They might just assume it is them and go to an older version that works for them.I also do not think just because 1 person is not having the problem that it does not exist.If you search overload disk their is not just this forum about it but many others.Maybe it is the environment as you say it is and not Utorrent.But if Utorrent is having a problem on peoples computers even if it is the environment it still up to Utorrent to come up with a solution or bug fix.Utorrent should work on all systems without problems.I do not expect to download the software and have problems, it just suppose to work.Why do you have no problems and we do?What should my settings be if they are wrong so i can set it right?I think we have to do a lot of trouble shooting before this goes away.I would like Utorrent to have a good name and not discourage people from using the software because of problems like this that they do not know.I always had Utorrent but only new versions of Utorrent do i have this problem.I want to know why and fix it so others do not need to face the same problem as I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailAlistair Posted May 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 Nope, If it was purely a uTorrent problem EVERY USER would be having the same problems, as this is NOT the case it is THE ENVIRONMENT that uTorrent is running in that is causing the overloading.I have TWO different clients running different jobs to the SAME drive (SATA II) with ABSOLUTELY NO overloading problems AT ALL.Get your settings right and the problems will GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!How can you write in this forum so often and be so obtuse? A lot of user are experiencing this bug, as you can see. In the last week only, I saw 3 threads in this very forum opened about this problem, and even a reddit thread top in /r/torrents. No, that's not how it works. The fact that the bug is not being troubleshot by every user does not mean that it does exist, or that it's not affecting a lot of people.No, it's not an "environment problem" it's a problem that uTorrent has in some "environments". The point is that we should try to figure out how these environments differ from environments where this bug does not appear. The fact that you are not experiencing this problem proves nothing. Maybe you are on a different system, or different version of that system.You are right, not everybody is experiencing it. Maybe everybody on Windows 8 64bit is having it, or maybe everybody that has a certain setting enabled in Windows, or everybody that has a certain motherboard. It could be anything, but the fact that uTorrent cannot run properly on a lot of systems proves that it's a problem of the client. It should be designed to work without issues on every system, or at least almost every system.Setting? What settings?! We were all running default setting when experiencing this problem, and then we changed to use rafi's settings, and the problem persisted. System settings? Antivirus settings? I already demonstrated that the problem occurs even if you have only Windows Firewall activated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafi Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 I want to know why and fix it so others do not need to face the same problem as I do.I am running Utorrent 3.4 Alpha (build 29535)Maybe this is why? When running an alpha you should expect instability. Try with the beta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciaobaby Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 if it is the environment it still up to Utorrent to come up with a solution or bug fix.Wrong, the uTorrent developers of ABSOLUTELY NO WAY of testing or allowing for EVERY possible installation in every possible environment. THAT is up to the end user to find the reason and fix it FOR THEIR ENVIRONMENT.There is MORE THAN ENOUGH evidence to demonstrate that "overloading" CAN be avoided by adjusting uTorrent settings to suit the conditions rather than expecting the developers to account for EVERY possible combination of hardware, ISPs, installed software etc. that can be put together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafi Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 if it is the environment it still up to Utorrent to come up with a solution or bug fix.Wrong, the uTorrent developers of ABSOLUTELY NO WAY of testing or allowing for EVERY possible installation in every possible environment. THAT is up to the end user to find the reason and fix it FOR THEIR ENVIRONMENT.There is MORE THAN ENOUGH evidence to demonstrate that "overloading" CAN be avoided by adjusting uTorrent settings to suit the conditions rather than expecting the developers to account for EVERY possible combination of hardware, ISPs, installed software etc. that can be put together.Maybe be so, but it *IS* up to devs to issue a more informative and less generic inf0/status/log messages on what conflict/difficulty the software encounters (like/and not limited to: permission, unavailable resource - socket/file, and such). Now, if you ask me, I bet that >51% of the users with the so-called 'overload issue' is when there is a fast connection in play, torrent(s) with multiple-unaligned files, or a combination of the two. uT is "known" for it's inefficient handling of unaligned files especially when skipping/using partfile too. Test it with a single file torrent - and it'll cut to half even third the number of I/O operations per megabyte transferred. Surely, bugs like filling up the cache with completed pieces and not writing them ASAP to disk - only escalate the issue/inefficiency.About the other "39%" of the users with this issue: checking/confirming relative performance relative to an older release is a perfectly valid way to evaluate it. If it fails - it just means that the newly written IO code is in need of improvement/fixing, till it will reach the previous measurements. No sense to close your eyes, do nothing (because you are afraid of more bugs...) and pray for a "better/improved environment"... Oh, and the remaining 10% of the users - can blame themselves (settings/HW/Windowz or whatever ... )... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciaobaby Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 Certainly more informative error/debugging messageswouldn't go amiss.Mind you, if that did happen it would not affect me personally as I'm in the final stages of dropping uTorrent completely, so there will be a uTorrent installer archive going to the lowest bidders shortly . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailAlistair Posted May 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 if it is the environment it still up to Utorrent to come up with a solution or bug fix.Wrong, the uTorrent developers of ABSOLUTELY NO WAY of testing or allowing for EVERY possible installation in every possible environment. THAT is up to the end user to find the reason and fix it FOR THEIR ENVIRONMENT.There is MORE THAN ENOUGH evidence to demonstrate that "overloading" CAN be avoided by adjusting uTorrent settings to suit the conditions rather than expecting the developers to account for EVERY possible combination of hardware, ISPs, installed software etc. that can be put together.We are really lucky that you are not a developer then. When I buy a piece of software I want it to work on my system, without spending hours trying to figure out what is wrong with it. The same thing should apply to free or ad-supported software. And as I already told you, there is no combination of settings (that I know of) that fixes this bug. The only thing that you can do is enable sparse files or running as administrator, which are not really fixes, but more a non-ideal way to patch the problem until there is a better solution or the devs fix this problem.If you are not here to help us. Please stop writing useless thing on this topic. It is only highly irritating that you keep coming here telling us that is our fault.The FIST thing that we tried is tweaking settings and it did not work. If you know something that we don't, than please tell us. If you just want to keep raving about some mistical combination of settings that fixes this bug, then SHUT the F*** UP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciaobaby Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 I didn't need to run uTorrent as Administrator neither did I have sparse files enabled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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