atm999 Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 First, don't tell me it's the tracker's fault, I have proof the uTorrent did it. So I am seeding a torrent and it is getting the error. I look at the status and it is going to update in another 2 minutes so I sit and watch it. It updates and is ok, no error. It now says it will update in 59:59 (and begins to count down). I sit and watch it and find that at 3 minutes in (56:59) it updates! There is the problem! Even though the client is saying it will update in an hour, it is updating in 3 minutes. One it's fixed, it would also be nice to set a user-defined update interval (with a minimum of 30 or the like).Note: I'm reporting this on behalf of someone else, but I also recieve the error, just not as often as him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 Works for me, as well as plenty of other people. I just kept an eye on my "Update In" field for the last 15 minutes, and it only updated after the stated 15 minutes were up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imtcb Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 That is the thing, it only happens to me on some torrents on that one tracker. I am a member of 6 private trackers that I use a fair bit, and use a few public ones as well, and it is only that one tracker having the issue.tcb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atm999 Posted June 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 I've had it on 3 torrents so far, one from each of 3 different private trackers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imtcb Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 OK, it seems like this issue is not being taken seriously. I have created a video explicitly showing exactly what is happening. I have 3 versions. One is an 11 minute clip, over 6.5megs large, showing the status going from having the error to good, then back again. The next is an abridged version of that time period with most of the waiting cut out, but enough left along with the updates to know what is going on which is just over 700k. The last is my original capture of almost 2.5 hours, and it comes in at over 90meg. I also converted the 700k one to SWF player, and it is only 33k, but alas, I'm not able to upload anything here.If Firon or ludde or someone else able to investigate it further would like a copy I can email, ftp, create a torrent or just about any other means get it to you. But the main thing is that it is a for real issue, and I would like to help in any way I can to get it fixed.tcbp.s. - I left the capture running while I watched some TV with the wife is the reason for the 2.5 hours. I have no idea how many times it got ignored during that time, I just clipped the first time I found for the 2 edits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbalaska45 Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 I think this a more appropriate thread please see my post here;http://forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?id=9805 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 @imtcb: If it only happens with one tracker, I'm not sure why your first instinct would be to blame µTorrent.@atm999: Does it happen with other trackers?Now, I'm not defending µTorrent on blind faith, but on the fact that I've never seen this issue, whatever torrent I've used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imtcb Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 At first I DID think it was the tracker. I know that they recently implemented an anti-hammering script, so that was most of our initial thoughts. When the tracker admins could not find what was wrong with the script I did more investigating and saw with my own eyes what was happening. What I don't understand is how the problem isn't even being investigated on this side when it is obvious that something is wrong. I'm still not saying for sure that uTorrent is what is wrong, all I know is that the update countdown is not reaching zero before it updates. If it is a tracker issue, why is uTorrent showing it will update in 1 hour, then updating in only a few minutes?I found some free file hosting. Here are the files:hxxp://www.box.net/public/zzqkqbmjih - SWF version of the shortesthxxp://www.box.net/public/9lrrf5n51i - AVI version of the shortesthxxp://www.box.net/public/q7ok9ts8yl - AVI version of the full 11 minute clipThat host won't allow files over 10meg each, so I can't upload the 2.5 hour one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 I won't deny what I see in that video, but I still can't repeat it. I can't say what's wrong, maybe ludde'll have a look at it... *shrug* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osm0sis Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 as for a user-defined interval, the tracker sets a certain value for a reason and uTorrent will continue to respect that (except for maybe in the bug mentioned above hah) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 Well, the request, though in the wrong place, was asking for a minimum wait time, not a maximum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbalaska45 Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 I believe the reason it is hard to duplicate is that most trackers do not have the anti-hammer script implemented (so it would go unnoticed), To test this last night I tried it on 2 separate private trackers, nether one has this script but on "hot" torrents 150+ peers and swarm speed over 4MB/s, also with my up speed at over 1000kB/s uT did indeed update at 3min I can also provide a video if necessary to show this behavior. ( Both of these trackers had their announce interval set to 30 min). If staff here would care to test this on our tracker, signups are open. Your test line should have a min 2Mb/s up speed and you should get on a torrent with at least 200 leechers & set upload slots to 50, that should generate the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atm999 Posted June 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 ANother thing, uTorrent is the only client on these sites that have this problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreadWingKnight Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 Are these trackers actually reporting a min interval in their announce replies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imtcb Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 I would have to think so since uTorrent is setting the interval at 1 hour (what the tracker is set to). It is just that it is not waiting the hour before it updates.Is there a way that I could see that in uTorrent, or any other app for that matter, to make sure?tcb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atm999 Posted June 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 unless 1 hour is the default, then that tracker is reporting it, because I have other trackers that have used a 1 hour report interval. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreadWingKnight Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 I asked for the "min interval" value, which is a separate entry in the announce reply that may not be in the announce replies of other trackers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atm999 Posted June 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 How can I capture the announce reply? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 Maybe some kind of packet sniffer (Ethereal or whatever it's called now)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 Faking an announce request in your browser will work too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imtcb Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Can you give me an example on how to do that please? When I put the announce URL in Firefox I get a with only this: "This file is for BitTorrent clients."Thanks.tcb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Well, if the tracker checks the user-agent you'd need a spoofing extension to do it. Ethereal would be easier for me, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imtcb Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Well crap, is there another way because Ethereal won't install on XP x64 (well, the live data capture portion won't).The time displayed for 'Update In' isn't the value you are looking for? I'm just not sure what it is that the tracker could be sending to prompt an early update if uTorrent isn't saying it is going to update.Firon, thanks for replying. I'll try to get someone with more knowledge of the tracker software running at the site I have problems with to find what you need to further investigate this.Thanks again,tcb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 No, you need to capture the tracker response and see what the interval is set to. YOu also need to check if minimum interval is even present (not the same value as interval). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stone Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 And if it's the same value, is it ignored? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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