osm0sis Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 so i just made a joke about MooPolice in the other thread here and while i was at their website i noticed this on the MooPolice Forums (the bolding is what i'm pointing out):MooPolice version 1.4.0 is out. It is based on libtorrent 0.9.2. Therefore there are major internal changes. This also resulted in a different version for Windows NT4.NEW WEB seed uT PEX read support (means MooPolice receives those PEX messages and uses them but does not send such messages) :cool: DHT nodes from the main table are now saved between sessions and there is an option for a default bootstrap nodewhat a thieving jerk. if you're going to take PEX messages, you should have to reciprocate, i believe this qualifies them as a "cheating" client, yes? good thing nobody uses it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yenkaz Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 That's not true, at least 50 people are using it... oh, nevermind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 Does it really matter that much that they don't send messages either, this way they will still connect to those people.Sure, it's a little cheating but not as bas as bitcomet does with the disconnecting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 That really is selfish... at the very least, he disclosed it, but even still, that guy needs to learn about P2P if he's going to make a client. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osm0sis Posted June 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 yeah, true, it does make the connections, but the µTorrent users MooPolice is taking the PEX info from don't benefit by getting any peers that it might not have from the MooPolice client. also, in order for it to get the PEX messages it would have to be connected to the µTorrent client already, so maybe in a very very roundabout way the extra peers might eventually get back to the µT client, but it's not really fair. i realise no standard for PEX is really part of the protocol as yet, but if the few that have supported it thus far set any kind of precedent, this guy is basically going against the protocol, and if not that, then at least the basic principle of BitTorrent: share and share alike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 ... in order for it to get the PEX messages it would have to be connected to the µTorrent client already, so maybe in a very very roundabout way the extra peers might eventually get back to the µT client ...Maybe I'm missing something, but how would the extra peers get back to the µTorrent client just by connecting to MooPolice?Edited for clarity (added quote) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreadWingKnight Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 They wouldn't, since MP isn't sending PEX messages out, only accepting them in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yenkaz Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 The guy also needs to get a few lessons in making a GUI that doesn't look like... i don't know what it looks like, i've never seen anything that ugly before... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osm0sis Posted June 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 i was thinking that moopolice would connect to those users and those users might... and then... yeah, you're right i didn't really think it through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 I'll just say that the interface doesn't suit my tastes -- some people obviously enjoy his work. But that's going off-topic (lol every time MooPolice is mentioned, people start bashing its interface xD). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yenkaz Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 But it's the only thing about it that... uuh... "stands out?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-$$$$$- Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 the ugliest client ever made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 Meh I didn't know it had its own implementation of PEX, so I removed that note.Someone obviously neglected to note that MooPolice's PEX implementation isn't bi-directional on the Wikipedia page comparing clients... I graciously fixed it for that person ;P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game90 Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 i never seen anyone using moopolice before... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yenkaz Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 I can remember connecting to it once... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Switeck Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 If MooPolice at least can read µTorrent PEX messages, then it probably can connect to ips gotten from PEX.Once those connections are made, traffic can be both up and down.MooPolice not playing fair with the PEX-found connections is a bigger concern than it being able to read µTorrent PEX messages but not being able to send µTorrent-compatible PEX messages. ...so is MooPolice cheating like BitComet did?Probably soon, a MooPolice version will be able to send µTorrent-compatible PEX messages. Being able to read them is just a first step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yenkaz Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 yes, be the programmer shouldn't really realease it before it can both send and accept them, then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendy Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 umm. been using torrents for a while but never heard some of theses terms what is PEX messages and how is MP stealing it and i never heard of MP until i got to the µtorrent forum. i was on there site just saw the screenshot and i was discusted by there visual style u WILL NEVER SEE ME USING MP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osm0sis Posted June 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 hahah. PEX = Peer Exchange. it's further explained in the FAQ i believe.and yes, someone made the hideous discovery of MooPolice awhile back. we were all shocked and appauled, believe me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 Indeed, Switeck, you were right (I was the Guest =P). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Switeck Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 For Beta-testing sake, it isn't a bad idea to be able to read PEX messages but not send out PEX messages.That way, you don't try to impliment PEX both ways...then wonder where the bug/s came from.It would also be a bigger problem if MooPolice started sending out corrupted PEX messages.We saw something similar to that with Alt-Locs (alternate locations in ip:port form for a file) on the Gnutella network. ...wasn't pretty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Good points, good points... as a side note, that *new* Guest on that page isn't me (as if it weren't already obvious, but just to make clear as day xD). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBear Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 Good points, good points... as a side note, that *new* Guest on that page isn't me (as if it weren't already obvious, but just to make clear as day xD).No need to argue the point that, as a client, it does suck balls though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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