slow speeds (bittornado vs utorrent)

[mai9]

I always used BitTornado, but I moved to utorrent because It uses less resources.

I always download The Daily Show torrents. Today I was downloading the latest TDS with utorrent (first time I do it) and I noticed how slow it was (It can't download faster than 30KB/s). When I had 10% of 175MB I started bittornado with the same file.

Bittornado behaved like usual, after 10 minutes I was downloading at 100KB/s. And right now, bittornado is at 50% of the file while utorrent is still at 20%. I gave equal upload bandwidth to both (20KB/s).

Searching this forum I found that I may have to tweak utorrent settings, something bittornado needn't.

Overall, I like utorrent a lot, but I found this difference in download speed disturbing :shock:

PS: at 60% bittornado downloads at 200KB/s

[hace]

Try to change maximum number off connections in UT and maybe change bt.slow_connect in advanced options to false...

[Animorc]

As another note:

µTorrent connects to peers a little slower than other clients, which reduced CPU-usage (this can be turned off in options I think), so you may have to wait a few minutes until max speed is reached.

[mai9]

Try to change maximum number off connections in UT and maybe change bt.slow_connect in advanced options to false...

Thanks for your answer, but while your answer can help download faster, we don't know until I try it, and when I try it we probably discover that we have to fine tune its settings again and try this and that. Always trying to achieve the speeds bittornado gives without any tweaking.

I don't know if bittornado can download faster because it uses more resources, or because it has an automatic tweak inside.

Right now I am using utorrent to seed, next time I want to download something I will do it with both programs and see what happens.

But the difference in speed is quite surprising: utorrent never went faster than 30, while bittornado went up to 200 (downloading at 100 after 10 minutes of use).

[juju]

I had the same problem before using the fast connection mode

go to advanced options :

bt.slow.connect -> choose "false"

net.slow.cpu->choose "false"

now it's turning very well

[mai9]

As another note:

µTorrent connects to peers a little slower than other clients, which reduced CPU-usage (this can be turned off in options I think), so you may have to wait a few minutes until max speed is reached.

I had that torrent downloading for 20 minutes. And as I said, it never went faster than 30. The first 5 minutes was downloading at 3KB/s! Bittornado in the first minute was at 6KB/s.

[mai9]

I had the same problem before using the fast connection mode

go to advanced options :

bt.slow.connect -> choose "false"

net.slow.cpu->choose "false"

now it's turning very well

ok, I applied these settings, let's see how it goes next time.

If this is the generic answer to "how to go faster?" The least thing you can do is add this to the FAQ.

[juju]

If this is the generic answer to "how to go faster?" The least thing you can do is add this to the FAQ.

of course not, these settings work pretty well for some users, and pretty bad for others (who loose connections)

but now, you have the choice

[mai9]

If this is the generic answer to "how to go faster?" The least thing you can do is add this to the FAQ.

of course not, these settings work pretty well for some users, and pretty bad for others (who loose connections)

but now, you have the choice

my preferred choice is a utorrent that knows when is loosing connections and when it can move along and download faster.

I don't want to guide utorrent on how it should download. My choice is on a utorrent that knows what to do.

[mai9]

of course not, these settings work pretty well for some users, and pretty bad for others (who loose connections)

I don't want to go deeper and make someone feel bad, because I do like utorrent. This topic is only because I was surprised with the difference in download speed. ok, now what I wanted to say:

The way it's implemented right now, utorrent works as the settings tell him to do: It may be losing download speed but utorrent doesn't care because its settings tell him to do it the slow way.

Maybe if it connects quickly it will lose connections, but if the settings say to connect quickly, then be it and lose connections.

utorrent knows when it's losing connections, not me. But utorrent does as the settings say and I have to observe utorrent to know if he likes the settings I set. I see a loop here, and I don't see how this loop benefits me.

[Cheeto]

I think there are other factors involved with your client to client comparison.

[chaosblade]

Indeed. And i dont think tweaking settings for the first time(s) is such a bad thing. It's not like the settings are lost and you have to configure it from torrent to torrent.

[CainKellye]

I think the difference between the two clients is that BitTornado is more aggressive to use the bandwidth than uTorrent. You should test them separately.

[Waagh]

i have noticed that bittornado does seem to max out my internet connection. i constantly get over 550KB/s using bittornado. but with utorrent, i max out @ 500KB/s. not that bad, but there is still a difference

[mai9]

I think the difference between the two clients is that BitTornado is more aggressive to use the bandwidth than uTorrent. You should test them separately.

Maybe you read the first post too fast, but I said that I tested utorrent separately.

I always download The Daily Show torrents. Today I was downloading the latest TDS with utorrent (first time I do it) and I noticed how slow it was (It can't download faster than 30KB/s). When I had 10% of 175MB I started bittornado with the same file.

I always download The Daily Show torrents. I've been doing this since January'05. That's three torrents every week, same file size, always with many peers, downloaded from the same site, using the same connection and always with BitTornado.

As you can see, I am quite used of the speed and time it takes to download one of those 175MB files.

So, when I was downloading with utorrent, I was suprised that it didn't download faster, and after 10 minutes (iirc) I opened bittorrent with the same file. When bittornado was at 40% and utorrent was at 20% I closed utorrent and started typing this topic.

[Infamous]

I agree.

Down Speed with uTorrent is rather slow.

Especially when I got 1031 seeds. :S

Max : 30 KBPS = Horrible in comparison to other proggys

[BloodStaindHurricane]

Here lately, I have to say that I have been floating around the infamous 30kb/s download speed on well-seeded torrents. I downloaded ziptorrent(mentioned by ScubaSteve), and held d/l speeds of 160kb/s and above on a torrent that I had just downloaded w/ utorrent(at neighborhood of 30kb/s the entire time).

[Waagh]

i have no problems with sites like filelist. i did 550kb/s max, and now i max @ 500kb/s. i'm good

[Cheeto]

i have no problems with sites like filelist. i did 550kb/s max, and now i max @ 500kb/s. i'm good

Same here. That's why I say it is your system that may be the factor along with other things.

All of my torrents since last Saturday have been well over 30. And I download the 4 episodes a week Daily Show as well.

[CainKellye]

I thought you were testing them simultaneously becouse of this:

When I had 10% of 175MB I started bittornado with the same file.

Bittornado behaved like usual, after 10 minutes I was downloading at 100KB/s. And right now, bittornado is at 50% of the file while utorrent is still at 20%. I gave equal upload bandwidth to both (20KB/s).

You started BitTornado when utorrent was at 10%. Then said uTorrent is at 20% and BitTornado is at 50%. So you didn't shut down uTorrent when starting BT, otherwise uTorrent couldn't reach 20%.

Maybe you wrote that first post too fast.

[Grauw]

mai6: it also depends largely on which users the client connects to. When the users have more upload bandwidth available, it will go faster. The choice of which users a client connects to is pretty much a random thing, so it could turn out well or it could turn out bad.

So, I'd say one check like you did isn't enough to establish that µTorrent is slower… It's depending on a lot of factors.

[mai9]

I thought you were testing them simultaneously becouse of this:

When I had 10% of 175MB I started bittornado with the same file.

Bittornado behaved like usual, after 10 minutes I was downloading at 100KB/s. And right now, bittornado is at 50% of the file while utorrent is still at 20%. I gave equal upload bandwidth to both (20KB/s).

You started BitTornado when utorrent was at 10%. Then said uTorrent is at 20% and BitTornado is at 50%. So you didn't shut down uTorrent when starting BT, otherwise uTorrent couldn't reach 20%.

Maybe you wrote that first post too fast.

Let me say that maybe I wrote that first post very fast, but boy, you understood the situation very clear!

Yes, utorrent was alone up to 10% (it took 10 minutes or so) and then I launched bittornado and when bittornado reached 50%, utorrent was still at 20%. At that point I realised I was clearly waisting my bandwidth, so I closed utorrent. (note: remaining time for utorrent when it was at 20% was like 2 hours 45 minutes).

Note: as you can imagine I don't pick those numbers at random just to claim that utorrent is slow, but I also don't write them down. I try to be as exact as possible. Also, it's not that difficult to realize that if uttorrent was at 10% with 10 minutes, then it has 90 minutes to finish, but I remember utorrent said 2h 45m. As I said, it's not in my interest to make those numbers up.

Now, let me explain today's The Daily Show download experience:

Today I downloaded TDS October 19th show. I also started with utorrent. I switched off those advanced options|other options (juju's suggestion). After 20 minutes I started bittorrent because utorrent was not going anywhere, bittornado reached 100KB/s in 10 minutes. When bittornado finished I closed it and left utorrent working. After 3 hours, utornado finished. I don't remember the time for bittornado to finish, but I'd say like 30 minutes.

If anyone has more suggestions, I am open to try them.

[Animorc]

About the speeds of µTorrent:

I have no problems whatsoever to get download speeds at 400+kB/s and upload speeds in the same level. Perhaps I'm just lucky to connect to the right peers/seeds, but as it happens with all torrents with 100+ seeds, I don't think it's coincidence. Perhaps there's something about µTorrent that doesn't support the settings in Windows for all users, but since the client isn't made to download slower than any other client, I can't see why it would.

[BlackLion]

Here lately, I have to say that I have been floating around the infamous 30kb/s download speed on well-seeded torrents. I downloaded ziptorrent(mentioned by ScubaSteve), and held d/l speeds of 160kb/s and above on a torrent that I had just downloaded w/ utorrent(at neighborhood of 30kb/s the entire time).

I tried ziptorrent. not a bad client, just a few too many 'goodies' for my taste. speeds were no different/better for me, I have no speed issues with uTorrent, bringing me back to the conclusion that its a tweakage issue for the most part. if you connect to TOO many peers you will bog down your connection. really you dont need more than 100, 50-100 peers per torrent, i have mine set to 100 and I have no speed issues. I had it set to some crazy number and i can say it didnt help at ALL. I have a 3MB dl and can max it with no difficulty on the right torrents. Im sure as this client matures that the settings issues will be clarified and doing what will get the best results will come out. In the meantime I have it running on two OLD boxes that I have lying around that dont have the cpu cycles and memory to give away and they do very well for me with it.

[Smoovious]

Look, you guys gotta understand something when you're comparing µTorrent speeds with other clients, like BitTornado, for example.

BitTornado has an option to break up the bitfield to foil ISP manipulation. (ie, capping the speed of torrent bandwidth)

µTorrent doesn't quite have this yet. ludde is working on it, but it isn't quite there yet.

A lot of people's problems with speeds, in part, may be your ISP throttling your torrent connections, and not necessarily with µTorrent itself.

Once ludde has that bitfield masking down and working well, then making comparisons with clients like BitTornado that take advantage of that would be more relevant.

He is currently working on that issue.

-- Smoovious