Lord Alderaan, You keep putting words in my mouth and then debating them as though I've said them (I'd quote the bits of your post I'm replying to for clarification but apparently that's just silly around here). I never used the reasoning of being an 'experienced forum goer' for arguing that the rules should go where the rules go. I stated my opinion there without any qualification. It was you who brought my 'experience' into it, and I simply pointed out that if as a result of experience I should expect to find rules in 'stickies', then it would be a contradiction not to also expect I should base my posting methods here on my previous experience. Yes different forums have different rules, but under the rules link is the logical place to look for them, which is what I did. And I'll be honest and admit that in hind site I probably over-reacted. But my general 'experience' when joining a forum, is to have someone (usually a moderator) welcome me to the forum when I first post, and if I've broken any rules (which happens rarely anyway) have them nicely pointed out to me. So yes, when after my second post I was threatened with being banned for something as silly as trying to make my posts clear, I was rather annoyed. I guess because some people seem to be emotionally attached to a corner of the internet, they forget that it means nothing to anyone else, and as a result also assume their site has some divine right to 'respect', when in reality they need to earn it like the rest of us. The rules here (at least the ones in question) are stupid. And the one regarding double posting (which apparently has a different definition here than it does anywhere else) is without a doubt the most ludicrous rule I've ever come across in any forum, and probably the most idiotic one I ever will. If there's some harm in making a second post, especially when that second post is making a completely different point to the first, or having a blue line in between points (due to the second post) somehow messes up a thread, then I'd love to have the logic behind that explained to me, if there is any logic other than moderator boredom. And as I said earlier, I would have happily 'gone away' had I simply been banned without any immature taunting in the process. Once again I thanked the people who contributed to the thread because it was the right thing to do. However I can't be worried if they wish to twist that into some sort of insult, although I guess if that's a possible outcome it might explain why less and less people seem to bother with manners these days. I'm happy I know I tried to do the right thing, if not for any other reason than because I felt it was the right thing for me to do, and in the end, that's what I worry about the most. I don't consider myself or my opinions to be the center of the universe. I've already stated that had I been treated differently I would have simply followed the rules, and I admitted I over-reacted a bit. Experience has taught me that when someone says something like "you think your opinions are the center of the universe" it's usually due to frustration because that's where they're coming from themselves. Switeck, while I agree that it's frustrating when a thread goes off topic as this one has, it seems to me to be some sort of indication as to the way this forum is run. In any other forum I've posted in, had this sort of thing happened, the thread would simply have been removed, or at least all the off topic posts would have been removed leaving the thread cleaned up. Yet in this case it's so wrong to quote a post that it results in an immediate threat of banning, has a moderator arguing off topic wasting more space than the breaking of the rule in question ever would have (not to mention also messing up the thread more than quoting ever could have) and while posts 'breaking the rules' get edited, the rest is allowed to remain. And while on one hand I applaud the lack of censorship, it leaves a lot of questions regarding the motivations behind the moderating here. I agree, this thread should be cleaned up, and I'm sure with all the arguments gone neither myself or anyone else would be bothered enough to try and drag them up again.