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Odium

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  1. Like I said previously, it will never be "great" until it's open source because then it will appeal to everyone instead of just one side. Would he somehow lose his hobby if he moved it to open source? No... I am not trying to preuade anyone, merely stating my opinion. Yes, the subject has gone off course a smidge... I disclaimed that section in my above post that it was on a side note. Anyways, not to be rude but I believe thats my sign to bow out of this thread.
  2. I felt so compelled to speak my mind I signed up to the forums and instantly began typing. I really don't mind how old a thread is, it's better then making a new thread (buy a new horse and beat it dead). Anyways, thanks Jroc for your input, I tried to speak as truthful as I could to give a realistic view of the audience that I represent. I think people have an unrealistic view of why people are so judgemental on closed source developers. I was merely trying to bring light to why we think this way and explain that it isn't a paranoia, but a moral and cautious initiative. I'm curious to what Ludde would say to my post... I doubt he will drop into this thread as it probably has haunted him since it was posted, lol. None-the-less I would always enjoy more feedback. As for you Ultima, I partially understand your concept but it's so dark and depressing. Sure he has his rights and he can keep his code, it is his. So scientists that find a cure for aids don't have to release their findings, it is their research right? I mean ... who cares if he spreads the knowledge that could save millions (Yes another dramatic analogy). My point to this - Just because it's a persons "Rights" doesn't mean it's right. You can write your deepest darkest secrets on 1 page amongst 1,500 pages... eventually someone will get to that page and everyone will know. I doubt that any open source developer would think that he could get away with that kind of an action programming code "hoping they wont find it". Also, windows had some controversy when their "Malicious Software Removal Tool" supposedly had windows validation code in it to check for pirated copies, this was when they first released the tool. The validity of this isn't exactly crisp but it still stands... It's alot easier to sneak stuff into your program when its closed source. Yet, you are correct I could easily make sure nothing sneaky is going on by debugging the program and decompiling it. I could run monitering software to see every single thing that it does. (Another side note: I am displeased with the nanotorrent redirect used for getting revenue in µTorrent. It's blocked by peerguardian and will remain blocked).
  3. I don't place any trust in anything that isn't open source. I take every precaution to make sure my privacy is enforced. Sure, many sites leave crap on your computer... if you're sloppy and unintelligent. I myself have gotten 2 viruses in the last 6 years and I've downloaded hundreds of gigs of material. Not once has my computer been compromised to where it was rendered inoperable, nor have I been contacted by any goody two-shoes lawyers either for shady downloading(I hid a nasty term with a cute label also!). How could I possibly be this safe and secure, you may ask? It's because I'm "so-called" paranoid and it's stuff like this that shy's us away from supposed glorious software. I think µtorrent (Looky I read all the faqs and recalled that from memory! Go me!) is an ungodly program, but I'll never use it unless I can see the source. Trust me there are tons more paranoid people out there than ignorant unsafe downloader fools who would violate their privacy under "blind faith". Of course, I can say I am not as skeptical of µTorrent as I am other closed source software. I supremely dislike the nanotorrent redirection, some could misconstrue this as "Data mining" and judge the software just on that aspect (that is also a superficial speculation so please feel free to enlighten me). So let me ask you this, where do you get off saying that everyone invests such blind faith (which is a cutesy term for "moron") in everything? I'll just add in my two cents here in saying this: If you find this as a feasible arguement then that's a load off my mind. Vulnerabilities are flaws in code and tons of flaws can be found without reviewing code. Obviously you never play any online games, any game can be cracked, hacked, and destroyed. Closed source doesn't mean crap for security as an alternative either because...well, dare I use windows as a construct for this arguement? A varitable paradise of flaws and vulnerabilities that are easily found (not by looking at source code oddly.. Gasp!) and exploited on a day to day basis. Pleas don't use "scam-sites" as a way to bash open source either. There are people out there that actually double, triple and quadrupal check to make sure the site they found is the legit and original site. I also have noticed even though google and such are full of sites that are returned on let's say "emule" the real site is usually on one of the top 10 links returned. Pay sites that charge "tutorial fee's" and give you software that was not designed by them. I have no sympathy for people who fall for these scams, they didn't research and fell headlong into a good ol'fashion trick. I hate to use this as an example but my cousin fell for that joke of a scam. (Here's the reason I said that) He has no college education and no experience with computers at all, he thinks computers are toys and thusly gets what he deserves. I agree with you on this note. Yes we do choose our poisons but in the end you'll die and I'm just high (just a analogy here). If you choose to indulge in completely unsafe software and get crushed but, the "paranoid dilluted imbeciles" remain safe and annonymous then thats your choice, hence your choice isn't a smart one. In the end I think that µTorrent is an ingenious software and the programmer is extremely smart. I have tested his software and I would rate it as a 5 of 5 but, just as the greatest heros of our time have been crushed underneath controversies so will µTorrent I feel. This is all because of the constant backwards steps that have been made to ensure that you do not gain the trust of the general public. I know that µTorrent went to 2nd used BT software at a time but dropped to 4th after the Peerfactor mistakes according to an article I read. Yet, even 4th is not to bad as you have managed to capture 25% of the p2p society. I guess the question all boils down to this. "Do you wish to be known as a person who revolutionized and reinvented BT software or just another victim of a conspiricy theory?". Perhaps I could be completely incorrect and I'm a minority of people who look too deep into an application for hidden dangerous code or intentions. On a completely differant subject (which I do not intend on hijacking a subject but here goes)...: I read that one of the forum mods or posters said "make a compelling arguement to go open source and we may consider it" (and locked the thread, lol go figure) to which my mind instantly flooded with possibilities. To my suprise though, I am appauled that I would have to make an arguement at all since we're approaching a new era where open source is the epitome of trust. Not just on the side of the people who use the program but the trust of the developer (which I've yet to see from µTorrent developer). Frankly (and this is just my opinion, I am not setting my "standards") I think closed source is a supreme action of selfishness, and open source is an act of selflessness. If more people taught others how they did things instead of retain their "uniqueness", the world would be a better place. To further explain this reasoning I'll put in a small analogy: "I will not tell you because I do not want you to know, but I want you to do what I instruct you to do". This is the mindset of the closed source community. Yes, I am biased to open source software. If there is a program that does the same thing better or worse thats open source I'll use that instead. I look at open source as contributing your intelligence and time to the whole world. Closed source communities will be never be as beneficial as open source. As the designers of close source software dies the software dies with them and only the residual concept remains. Where would we be if the whole world thought like this? Open source can not only (as avararl stated) increase production time by getting public feedback but it can also appeal to the masses of people who stick to open source programs as an alternative. I will also say that if it weren't for the original creator of BT to make it open source your closed source project wouldn't exist. People fail to realize that just that one developer's choice ended in a giant revolution in the genre of p2p. He sent a shockwave of creativity through the world. Yes, I know that sound a bit overdramatic but how else could someone interpret this? People learn from open source development also which is another facet that most people obviously overlook from the constant negative reactions on open source posts on these forums. µTorrent did something not any other BT software (and tons of others have done) which was to create a very powerful and small program that doesn't hog system resources. I frankly download hundreds of programs from every genre and I rarely see people employ these kind of standards in their programs to consider the lower end systems that could suffer from giant diskspace and memory hogging. Without the massive contribution from the open source community we may not be where we are now. So with all this being said... I'll end this side story in saying this: Your program is widely used, but it will never be the best -- EVER -- until you move it to open source. I can assure you with all the fabric of my being, this will be your most epic of obstacles to overcome if you choose to slap the face of every person in the open source community. Alot of people's decision on software is based on the reputation of the programmer or corperation of the program. The inability of the developer to release the code (which is the majority of my refusal to use) with the shady happenings of Peerfactor is more then enough reason for me to find a differant program. If the devloper of course doesn't care about his BT client hitting #1 on the charts and just is doing it for the fun of it, more power to you. As long as you're happy I guess thats all that matters to you. ----------------------------------------------------------------- I know this will offend many people, including the developer but I say this from my heart and not from hatred. I would love to see µTorrent on the number 1 slot of most used BT client. I use Azureus and even though I supremely hate it's gigantic memory usage and bloated installation I know I can trust them. I of course have a fairly good computer so I can afford the loss in memory and cpu usage. I have made said many things about open/closed ideals. I have been biased in my response but I researched it and it is possible to be correct on a subject as simple as open and closed source standards. The ideals of closed/open are not OPINIONS, they are facts. There is no reason to be closed source unless you want to be original or greedy or if you wanna make money and dont want others copying you. I have used the whole controversy of Peerfactor as part of my arguement as well but this isn't 100% of the reason why I choose to deny µTorrent on my computer. I frankly don't need that as fuel to say no to µTorrent, just the moral pretext of being closed source is reason enough. I do feel sorry for open source programmers that are exploited by having their software changed to look like someone elses, this is unfortunate. But, better the martyr then the violator Since I know someone will ask, yes I do use some closed source programs because there truely is no open source alternative and it disusts me. If you wish to play the kiddy card (yes im blatently insulting anyone who does this because it is immature) and use this as a "ha ha you're a hypocrite" go ahead. These are just scape goat ploys to distract a person from the truth. Anyways, I am sorry if this seems like a flame post, but it is not. I have thought this through as I typed it and I am willing to take any critical responses that may be spawned from this post without an agressive reaction. We are all adults here and I believe that all that I've said can be taken with a grain of salt and not confused as some random man's assault on someones hard work. I am not poking fun at anyone to degrade but mearly to reveal the thoughts of one single mind in the world. EDITED: Fixed typo's and some sentence structure mistakes. *Added in a FYI.
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