kokoko3k Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 I've made a search before posting, and it seems that this problem related to superseeding is not covered.The issue involves utorrent 1.3.2 beta and azureus 2.3.0.6 (at least, by now)I made a torrent, uploaded it on a private tracker and waited for other peers to leech it.Switched to superseed, the upload started, gone well for about 4MB, then it stopped.If i made stop/start torrent it goes on another little bit.Switched off superseeding and all has gone well.Any clues ?Thanks in advance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Super-seeding needs more than a few peers to work well (once you reach about 10 or so it should be good). It's also not good for fast upload speeds.How many peers did the swarm have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kokoko3k Posted January 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 only one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 You can't super-seed with less than two peers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kokoko3k Posted January 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Here's why, thanks.It could be useful to switch superseeding on and off automagically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moody Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 I've always been in favour of superseeding turning off automatically at the end of an upload when the first peer gets 100%, it never occurred to me that users would use it incorrectly at the beginning of an upload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kokoko3k Posted January 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 As i know, superseeding should be used when the seeder is alone.but it can be very boring to check if leechs are >1 and manually enable superseedingSo if superseeding=true and seed=1 and leech>1 then turn it onelse turn it offit's easy isn't ?I think Azureus does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Switeck Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Turning on super-seeding also means disconnecting and reconnecting, which only works well if the other peers see your ip as a 'new peer' instead of remembering it was previously a seed or peer with lots to share. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kokoko3k Posted January 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 I tried now:1 seed (me), 6 leeches.superseeding on: upload speeds from 0k to 80KBsuperseeding off: upload speed from 350KB to 420KBIs there a way to get better upload speeds with superseeding on ?thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Super-seeding isn't designed for high speed uploaders, and this comes straight from the super-seeding spec. If you can upload at that speed, you shouldn't be using it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kokoko3k Posted January 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Unfortunately, i can't use my upload speed for a long time,so I thought that superseeding could allow me to better "share only the need" to peers.Thanks anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDude Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Super-seeding needs more than a few peers to work well (once you reach about 10 or so it should be good). It's also not good for fast upload speeds.How many peers did the swarm have?In some cases, I upload to swarms that start out with 2 or 3 peers, then gradually work up to more, reaching more than 10 only in the second half of seeding to the first new seed.Should I keep super-seeding off in those cases ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 It'll work with a few but not THAT well. My only suggestion is to try it and see how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Switeck Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 Perhaps as a feature request...A checkbox to turn off super-seeding if seeds spotted for the torrent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosmon Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 Kokoko3k - try and turn on logging for the "stuttering" clients and see if your problem is the same one I noticed in my post above (bad packet fragility). I am noticing that when talking to Azureus clients in Superseed mode, there is a constant tendency to disconnect them due to an apparent "bad request" for the last piece of a block.Cheers,Boz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Computer Guru Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 Perhaps as a feature request...A checkbox to turn off super-seeding if seeds spotted for the torrent?seconded From Azureus' "This Funny Word...."Superseeding: a feature that allows seeders who are the only seed in the swarm to solely seed pieces that are found nowhere else in the swarm works something like this: the superseeding client pretends not to be a seed, but pretends to be a peer with an incomplete file. Then the client shares with one peer only, usually the one with the fastest upload to others. And that peer can then share that piece with the swarm. This allows the superseeding client to maximise the efficiency of the upload by only sharing those pieces nobody else has. And because of some other things about the behaviour of superseeding, this function does not work at all well in swarms with one peer and one seed only. So it is only good when the seeder is the only seed, and there are more than 2 peers.Good definition... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moody Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 Computer Guru: Additional to the definition, my understanding is that the super seeder does not return to the first peer until he sees the previous piece that was uploaded to that peer circulating in the swarm. This has the effect of not uploading to peers who don't share. The peers with fast uploads share quicker and get the most attention. One seed and I peer, seeding stops after first piece.Typo correction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfk505 Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 All I know is that I've been unable to super-seed effectively with utorrent at all. I had a torrent seeding to about 9 peers, my upload is around 75kb/s, and after 8 hours all I had upped was about 300mb. When I used Azureus, I superseeded all the time with no difference whatsoever in speed (even when only seeding to 1 peer). Something is definately different with utorrent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyecue Posted January 27, 2006 Report Share Posted January 27, 2006 How about an 'Smart Super-Seed' sub-option. Enables when 3+ peers in swarm, turns off and reverts back to standard seed once all peices are out. Since there are ubiqutous 'rules' that should be followed when it comes to super-seeding, it's a viable option.IE: Superseed is dumb when theres < 2 peers, and Superseed is also dumb once all peices are out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gondukin Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 I've also had problems with superspeed on uTorrent with low numbers of peers... I was using it with 3 peers and upload speed kept peaking around 10 kB/s and would frequently drop to 0... problem is, with superseed off the peers happily request and get whatever data they want and so you end up having to upload more data before they can complete due to the duplication so therefore its a slower torrent. This 'Smart Super-Seed' wouldn't solve the fact the client simply isn't pushing out the data as it should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chupakabra Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 I noticed another problem: when uTorrent gives out all the pieces it stops uploading at all. As a result there are a lot of 99.9% peers just hanging there until I disable super seeding. I don't know why this happens - maybe a peer who received last piece did not share it with others. I also talked to other person who uses super-seeding with uTorrent and he said he has the same problem. I think a good sollution would be to switch off super seed automatically when availability reaches certain value.I use uTorrent 1.5.1 beta build 460. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schnurlos Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Look here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chupakabra Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 I don't understand. Why this feature even exists if it is worse than normal seeding and introduces additional problems like lower upload speed and 99.9% issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 'cause it's broken and needs to be there for testing to be (eventually) fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreadWingKnight Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Because, when it's working, it's NOT worse than normal seeding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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