nightshifted Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 the torrent maker already ignores thumbs.dbIt does? In which version? Not in 1.4.2-beta428. I just tried it. Did I use it wrong? Is there an Advanced Option to set?The changelog for 1.4 stable (build 402) says that deletion now includes thumbs.db. But including on delete and ignoring on create are rather different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 Well, ludde said the torrent maker does in the latest beta O.oif it doesn't, then I'll have to mention it to him again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefarious Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 the torrent maker already ignores thumbs.dbIt does? In which version? Not in 1.4.2-beta428. I just tried it. Did I use it wrong? Is there an Advanced Option to set?The changelog for 1.4 stable (build 402) says that deletion now includes thumbs.db. But including on delete and ignoring on create are rather different.ammm, it just does... wait a second, just tried it myself, it doesnt ignore it, must be the private beta that does taht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAbReAkA Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 it doesn't ignore it here (428) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightshifted Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 I'll wait to see the next public (beta or stable) release then, as I would anyway. Right now 428 is the most recent available for public consumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 Just a random guess, but might it have something to do with the visibility of the thumbs.db (like showing/hiding system files, or showing/hiding hidden files)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightshifted Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 Ultima, trouble is that Thumbs.db is very visible to torrent creation utilities but not to users who have Windows at the default settings of concealing hidden files, system files, and file extensions. They like to yell at us "there's nothing in my folder but .flacs and .jpgs and the .txt file!" when we reject a .torrent upload for having Thumbs.db in it. Then we have to explain to them how to show hidden files, to show system files, and to change their View setting for that folder and their default View setting to something other than Thumbnails. Then finally they can delete it and it will stay deleted.So yes, we have a prepared text but they don't follow it. It's far easier to tell them to make the .torrent file with MakeTorrent or Azureus after setting it to skip Thumbs.db files.And you can't leave the damn things in: their contents are always changing, so when it comes time to send that piece out to the swarm its content won't be the same as it was when the metafile was created, and depending on the initial seeder's client, the client will either demote itself to leecher or send out a hashfail.Sadly, µTorrent falls in the latter category if the source is changed after the starting check, or if you pick "open for seeding" and it doesn't do a file check at all but your source doesn't actually match with the metafile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefarious Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 yep, but wait a second, bitcomet doesnt ignore them also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightshifted Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 Ignore which, Nefarious? Thumbs.db files or pieces that will fail their hashes if sent?I don't know whether BitComet will leave a Thumbs.db file out of a torrent (it gladly includes the invalid null path at the end of an empty directory). It does rehash every piece before sending and won't send out a hashfail if the piece has been altered since the metafile was created. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splintax Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 It doesn't really matter whether BitComet does it or not. What does matter is that no client should include them by default, as it is very unlikely that you'd want to include them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1c3d0g Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 Splintax: agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefarious Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 dude, that's right, was just asking about bitcomet cauze you know, most people still create files with it, so should be another way to make 'em cross over offtopic i know sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightshifted Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 Most people, Nefarious? Not in my experience. You and I clearly move in different circles.We (at the tracker where I'm a moderator) have always pushed MakeTorrent, but sometimes on larger torrents, I think only if you select Automatic for the piece size, it can create a torrent with the wrong number of pieces for the total file sizes, and then no decent client will tolerate the .torrent file. It also has not been updated since May, 2004, so it cannot create trackerless torrents nor, at the other end, include the private flag: in fact, if you use it to edit a torrent, it will delete the private flag and any other key it wouldn't create on its own. But darn it, it will skip those pesky Thumbs.db files. If µTorrent will be doing that too, we can stop recommending MakeTorrent.We strongly discourage BitComet for creating .torrent files, because it includes the fallow path of an empty subdirectory, and that makes other clients barf. As a client we ban BitComet altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefarious Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 ammm... the word i was looking for was "many", sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 next beta's torrent maker ignores files with hidden/system attribute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefarious Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 --- 2006-02-26: Version 1.4.2-beta (build 429)- Feature: Reorder RSS favorites- Feature: If user is running from temporary internet files, prompt to install it.- Feature: Added popup menu to easily change if the scheduler/dht is enabled.- Change: Switch default theme- Change: Skip hidden/system files when creating torrent.- Change: Right align some columns.- Change: Remove spaces from urls in RSS feeds- Change: DHT binds UDP socket to net.bind_ip- Change: If a file is larger than what it's supposed to, force a refresh.- Fix: Prevent windows from going above pixel 0.- Fix: Ratio on generals tab wasn't computed exactly like the main list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightshifted Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 Sounds lovely, Nefarious; I can't wait until it gets into a public beta. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 I mentioned it before he did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefarious Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 but you said next beta, im saying which one it is xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 But beta 429 isn't public, so technically it's still "next beta" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightshifted Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 I mentioned it before he didFiron ... er, you said in post 57146 that the feature was already in the torrent maker, which is not true for people like me. Nefarious said in post 157706 that it was in build 429, which is true [unless you're both wrong] whether the reader can use build 429 or not. (How did there get to be a jump of 100,000 in the message numbers in that time?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 Yeah, I was wrong back then I have no idea how it jumped 100k posts.ludde said he'd put it in for thumbs.db long ago, but apparently he hadn't. Then I mentioned today that in the next beta (I say 'next beta' because I don't count private betas as a release), the torrent maker will ignore files with hidden or system attribute In any case... yet another +1 for µTorrent! (a smarter torrent maker) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightshifted Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 Having it skip all hidden and system files is an improvement over hard-coding the name Thumbs.db; this way it will avoid desktop.ini and anything else the typical user doesn't expect. (There still is the problem of .DS_Store files when the fileset was prepared on a Macintosh, but you can't rightly expect a program for Windows to allow for that.) So Ludde is actually going MakeTorrent and Azureus one better.Then again, it also means that I can't test it just by creating an ordinary file and naming it Thumbs.db or desktop.ini; I'll have to mark it hidden or let Windows make the real thing. Well, we'll see when it's in a public release (beta or otherwise).I really hope that nothing I'm saying here is coming off like a whine to be let in on the private betas. Ludde needs active testers for those, and I couldn't be one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmaster10 Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 will there be an option to customize what files to be ignored or not include during torrent creation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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