SolidWolf Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 I'm sure there's still plenty of people on dial up, including myself.Some because they cant afford it, others cause is not available to them.But that doesn't matter. What matter is that after 1.3.1-beta (build 383) or 1.3.1-beta (build 384) they implemented an artificial cap if your upload is too low.Oviously to prevent lechers, but here is where the "Dial Up Mode" comes in..Here's what I'm thinking..A bubble selection box, simple On and Off under Network Options."On" will gray out Bandwidth Limiting and hardcoding a new cap atsomething like 6kb down, 1-2kb up. Thus preventing low upload cap lechers.6kb might be near impossible to reach thru 56k but would fit nice as a safe cap."Off" would work how is now.There are other methods and programs to cap your upload, but I would really prefer if it was done thru uTorrent without problems.Or… Forget the whole Dial Up mode, and change the artificial cap to fit better with Dial Up.Right now 1kb upload caps d/l speed to 2kb. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 I'll tell ludde to raise the cap to 6 KiB/s for upload caps of 1-3 KiB/s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolidWolf Posted January 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Thank You.Let me know how it goes if possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Should be implemented in the next beta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inf Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Just wondering how low is too low ?Will it impact me if i usually uploading at 5kbytes/sec while downloading (but either 12 or 15kbytes/sec while seeding only, 15 is my max) ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 5kb/s limits you to 10kb/s, but I'm asking ludde if he can raise that to 15 (more reasonable) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inf Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 If 5kb/s limits me in any way, uTorrent is not for me, 15 is no way more reasonable :-(I never really was a leecher, and found uTorrent "Alternate upload rate when not downloading" very usefull. If i set more than 5kbytes/sec while downloading (and hence also using some additional upload for overhead), the remote access using VNC slows down to crawl on my 1.5mbps/128kbps connection. The bottom line is - those limits make uTorrent totally crippled for me. Seems that i`ll have to go back to azureus :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 And you can't use 6? Also, if you need reliable speeds for VNC so badly while torrenting, you really should be using QoS of some kind (either software based like cFosSpeed or on the router) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inf Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 i can use 6..7what is the cap if i do ?About qos, the only way i've seen it working ok was when using a linux box to do that, and i just dont really want another box running just for that purpose.and btw imho cfosspeed is a total crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 6 and upwards is unlimitedAnd you think so? cFosSpeed has worked well for me for a few months, I've been seeding uncapped on it for weeks on end without my internet getting slow. Run various P2P programs with acceptable speeds at the same time, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Switeck Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 If you use cFosSpeed, do you have to uncheck the "use more upload slots" checkbox if upload speeds are less than 90% of max?I'd think it'd almost be neccessary because with the external program dictating max speeds, µTorrent might think there's "free" upload bandwidth when there isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inf Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 If 6 and upward is unlimited, i`ll just set it to 6 :-)BTW, it would be nice to to post the capping rules somewhere in the FAQ.About cFosSpeed, it would never finish the "autoconfiguration" or whatever the name was (the last time i tried was a really long time ago). Also, either i am too bad at navigating a crappy skinned interface , or it was just impossible to manually configure.Anyway, Firon, 10x for info.PS: all this became an offtopic thread, i'd either move all the post starting from my one to chat or just erase those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splintax Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Hold on, can't we turn this option off though? :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 ludde's removing the cap. And the configuration was quite simple, you run a download for 5 seconds, then run an upload for 30 or more, and you're basically done... then you can right click on it and manually add programs, but most (including µT) of the major apps are already covered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inf Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 ...ludde's removing the cap..Actually, if not this post, i wouldnt even know about that cap, since i am just seeding right now, and i am probably not going to download anything till the weekend About cFosSpeed, the last time i tried was about the time they first appear, so may be they did some major improvments, i dont know anything about their latest release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Well, I've been using the beta builds (I'm using 2.13 beta build 1067), and they work great so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1c3d0g Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Though I still feel µTorrent should set a very hard cap of 1 kB/s per upload slot (this is reasonable IMO)...and override the user-specified settings if some asshole wants to put 20 slots on his 10 kB/s upload (which would equate to 0.5 kB/s upload per slot). :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tumu Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Dialup can peak over 6KB/s down if modem/PPP data compression can do it's magic on the data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 tumu: the cap is gone, and most torrented data is already compressed, where ppp compression wouldn't help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splintax Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 56 kilobits per second = 7 KB/s48 kilobits per second = 6 KB/sSince 48kbps is a typical connection speed (not many people get > 50kbps, and those that do can usually get broadband of some kind), I'd say that is pretty rare tumu, especially considering protocol overheads.edit: as for removing the cap, good on you I say. It was innovative, sure, but it was a bit too far outside the square for my liking.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleh Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 These numbers are strange... I'm happy I'm so young that I never had the "pleasure" of having a dial up connection... brrrr.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolidWolf Posted January 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 bah, artificial cap still in effect on the latest beta (build 390). :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolidWolf Posted January 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Did ludde change his mind about removing the cap?build 391 still has the cap and no change in upload cap / dl rate ratio.I dont mean to spam or get annoying, but two betas ago he was gonna "remove the cap", but now more stuff are built upon it. like this."- Change: Show a message in the status bar if download is limited due to small upload"Doesnt sound like is gonna get removed. atleast change the upload / download speed rate. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1c3d0g Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Just for you I tested it with Build 393, temporarily setting more peers than I can handle, and guess what: my upload does drop below 1kB/s...so I don't know what's wrong with your config. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devlin Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 i just got the message download limited and put upload higher and it went away but still getting slow speed like average 20 to 10 KBsWhat should i put for upload slots per torrent?and global max upload?i dont want that message coming out again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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