1c3d0g Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 LMAO...we'll never going to find common ground in this discussion, so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackLion Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 like I said......two forum members, three opinions but im an extension wh0r3 like 1c3d0g and I am too addicted to a few of them to switch over but they ARE doing a good job with 0pera and after I spent the better part of an hour poking and prodding I got it to look pretty dangone good but I never thought FF looked all that great anyway....RIP and NoScript I love too much to let go ATM.....but the built-in mouse gestures rock bigtime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hofshi Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 what's RIP? don't know that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 I agree, NoScript is definitely an excellent extension. I'm not sure (as I haven't tested the Opera beta enough), but maybe it's possible to set the Content Blocker to allow Javascript on a white-list basis (as opposed to black-list)?Edited for clarity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackLion Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 RIP=Remove It Permanently.....its an item-nuker.@ ultima:How I use it is i block everything by default and allow on a per-site basis (see the S in the statusbar? click that and click allow for any sites that need the javascript functionality where you are connected to). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noname Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Btw why are there less extensions for Opera than FF?Edit: May someone tell me what's the shortcut to opening a new tab when entering text in the search window on Tp2?It used to be clicking on ctrl + shift + enter. Strangely ctrl + shift + paste and go still works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dolbysnoopy Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Still using Opera 6 here.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaosblade Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Opera even has extensions? I see it has toolbars, shortcuts, and other small changes on their site, but i see no real extensions\plugins for it.After messing it from a clean install for 5mins i got it to look and behave somewhat more to my liking. BSH - I dont call having an extra bar to copy stuff you cant move to user friendly. Its just a cheap trick around the fact they didnt give you a way to organize all the toolbars in order.After using opera for a few hours i still couldnt get over some little quirks it has.I much prefer the way firefox handles feeds (live bookmarks, shows you just the headers) - which is different from about ANY rss feed reader on the planet. Guess its just my taste. I also get annoyed by the border opera adds to tabs (no BSH, NOT the panel which i turned off immediatly). There are some more quirks i was annoyed about, small stuff, but overall, those small things are what makes the experience. Im not by any chance a die hard FF fan, but its the best browser i can get now, in terms of personal usability. Im looking forward to testing IE7 and perheps even Opera10 is it solves any of my issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 No, Opera doesn't really have extensions... unless you're talking about the new widget thingies...@BlackLion: Heh I meant the Opera beta has some Content Blocker. I haven't really tested it, but was speculating that maybe it'd be possible to make it whitelist sites to allow Javascript... like NoScript. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noname Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 Aren't user Javascripts like these: http://userjs.org/ and additional buttons like these: http://nontroppo.org/wiki/PowerButtons and toolbars like this: http://nontroppo.org/wiki/WebDevToolbar considered as extensions?IMO they feel like extensions for Opera from my ignorant point of view of how extensions function. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 I guess they are -- to some extent -- "extensions," but not in the traditional sense (like in Firefox), where you just install the file through a central, automated extension system. Those things you listed above are more "hacks" for Opera than extensions, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noname Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 Ok. Thanks for the clarification Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splintax Posted February 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Opera won't have extensions for the same reason µT doesn't - kills efficiency and exposes part of the code (obviously not a problem for FF). UserJS provides almost the same functionality in most cases, IMO.splintax: that addition of +anything is automatically stripped by an increasingly large number of sites.Can I gather from your post that currently Opera doesn't support the full capabilities of Gmail manager?Basically, yes you can. I had thought that Gmail worked flawlessly in Opera 9 TP2, but there's still a couple of problems (after a while, I can't click on stuff, but it might just be me). And I have noticed that +anything doesn't always work. I'll grab a few screenshots when I get the chance.Congratulations, but argh, what have you done to my beloved Opera? Personally I really like the default interface. I'm not sure how to move the address bar to where it is in FF, but other than that, I have to say that for someone who's not used to FF, at least from my view, Opera is much more "customizable" than FF, toolbar-wise. After all, you can make Opera look like FF (eventually) but it's a lot harder to make FF look like Opera As for that site on "Firefox Myths", I did something similar a while back - hopefully you'll find that less biased, hofshi. There's also an interesting list of Opera innovations over at the unofficial Opera Wiki. As for the article itself, when I first started reading it, I agreed with it, but it gets worse as you go on. A lot of that is utter bullshit, and this is coming from someone who HATES the Firefox myths going around (like Firefox is revolutionary, Firefox is the first with tabbed browsing etc).And finally, chaosblade, I don't know about the 1px border, but a lot of people complain about it. Personally, it doesn't bother me, but there may be a way to turn it off... :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hofshi Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 splintax: Thank you for you comments, I'll probably give Opera another try on its next version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1c3d0g Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Ahaha...why do you ask, Splintax? Don't you like my customization of Opera?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 @hofshi: Opera's changed to a weekly build release model... A new version's out, in case you want to try ;] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1c3d0g Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 I think he means when Opera reaches 9.1/9.5 or something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hofshi Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 yeah, 1c3d0g is right, I meant a major release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1c3d0g Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Well at least they're doing a good thing by releasing weekly builds. I wish IE's team was so forthcoming... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hofshi Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 does anyone know why Opera isn't open source now that it's free? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 I don't think it really matters -- it's their choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1c3d0g Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 I think it's hard to make a business out of an Open Source program, especially a browser. People will compile it themselves and release it for free for the rest of us, so I'm guessing that's why they won't go Open Source anytime soon. Maybe that could change if they establish very long-term contracts with a lot of Fortune 500 companies, foreign government agencies etc. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 I don't think they ever really made much business out of the desktop market anyhow. Their money mostly came (if I'm not mistaken) from the mobile browser market. And whether they open source it or not, they're still not making any business off the desktop browser, so I don't think that's really the matter at hand =T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jroc Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 But did yall hear about Mozilla creating a seperate part of their business for profit? Its to help with something I cant remember right now.I remember now http://www.infoworld.com/article/05/08/08/32NNmozilla_1.html(most tech stuff I hear about or read is in mags. So I gotta try and find the mag it was in or hope google helps me out.)Edit: U fast Ultima...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 Yeah, but it's mostly so that they could deal with corporations properly. Organizations/Foundations can't (that I forgot the reason for).Edit: http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=7085The creation of the Mozilla Corporation should eliminate some of the thorny legal and tax issues that have been caused by the revenue-generating potential of Firefox and Thunderbird. The Mozilla Corporation will now handle all relationships with commercial companies and its status should allow more flexibility in this area. It is hoped that the income from the Mozilla Corporation will help the Mozilla project (including both the Foundation and the Corporation) to be more self-supporting, though donations will still be welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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