Knight Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=1117 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 And so the brilliant minds at the Slyck forums have their party...http://www.slyck.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=20211Excellent article, Mike. Very well done I knew µTorrent wasn't trustworthy, from the moment I saw it was proprietary. Now it turns out I'm right. I'm sticking to Azureus like always, so should everyone else. And screw Strigeus.Really stupid, in my opinion. I wonder if it's fun being paranoid... after all, everyone seems to be lately. If they can't get over the fact that there are (and always will be) proprietary things, ON TOP of being suspicious about anything proprietary, it honestly is really sad.Red_Blue's especially funny.The question is not so much whether he was working for the copyright mafia all a long and planted backdoors or call-home trojans in μTorrent, it's about moral character. Do you want to be using something you know was coded by someone now working for the guys who want to shut it down and sue you, potentially for millions?...why don't you then inform us how it really is, preferably with first hand account from Strigeus, explaining why should we trust and support him now that he is working for the enemy?And I'm sure he has real good moral standings. If he weren't doing something illicit, then what reason does he have to fear the entities he call his "enemy?" So much for his goody-two-shoe front.Edit:I'll be sure to comment that the day I turn my friends in and start working for the guys who claim that giving for free is stealing worth billions.And so you don't have any right to be judging ludde's moral character."Claim?" IANAL' date=' but is it not common sense that giving for free is stealing if the material being "given" doesn't legally belong to the entity doing the giving, or if the entity with legal ownership doesn't give permission? Anyway, that's a different discussion altogether, so I'll just leave it at that.[/quote']lol seriously, he doesn't turn his friends in, so isn't that morally incorrect, to be an accomplice in theft? Hypocritical... Now I'm not saying he should turn them in, but if he doesn't, then he really shouldn't be talking about morality =T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firon Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 You do know he hasn't been paid a dime, right? And that he won't be unless the legal downloading service actually works, which was the contract he signed for?Have you considered the possibility that they really are gonna make a legal downloading service using the BT protocol, like the contract says?There's nothing wrong with supporting a -legal- service. If it turns out otherwise, then you can all say what you want, but not now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Posted March 4, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 And so the brilliant minds at the Slyck forums have their party...http://www.slyck.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=20211Excellent article, Mike. Very well done I knew µTorrent wasn't trustworthy, from the moment I saw it was proprietary. Now it turns out I'm right. I'm sticking to Azureus like always, so should everyone else. And screw Strigeus.Really stupid, in my opinion. I wonder if it's fun being paranoid... after all, everyone seems to be lately. If they can't get over the fact that there are and will always be proprietary things, ON TOP of being suspicious about anything proprietary, it honestly is really sad.yeah but i couldnt help but laugh at this utorrent is nice and all but it really doenst get me any different performance in when doing anything and also it seems to drop peers more often and connect to less than azureus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boo Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 lol I think ludde should comment this a bit more and maybe also show a copy of the contract to shut up those who are being paranoid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1c3d0g Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Looks like the paranoid squad is pretty active these days...I wonder what they do all day... :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Meh it wouldn't make a difference even if ludde commented more. These guys' minds already seem pretty set, and they were just waiting for a "crack" in ludde's background to blame him for something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inf Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 May be it sounds paranoic, maybe not, but ludde helping an anti-p2p company, even if this is for something that is not supposed to be anti-p2p, even if the company is only a former anti-p2p and now changing its direction, its a sad news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Smoovious brought up the most logical/plausible point thus far in the Slyck forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boo Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 as I said earlier, the best way to shut up those that are paranoid is to post a copy of the contract,so that people can see that ludde has no intention to help them poisoning the BT network. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 ludde can't. According to Smoovious (in that post I linked to above)...Then there is the confidentiality clause. We'll make the author agree to a confidentiality clause for the next 6mo duration of the contract, while we can say anything we want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boo Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Even thought everything was well intentioned, this contract has damaged µTorrent reputation, like ToM said on Slyck =http://www.slyck.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=269939#269939 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ev0| Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 can't blame Ludde for wanting to make some money, after all, writing µtorrent doesn't pay the bills. And its still the best client, regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 @boo: Again, Smoovious' post put forth a very plausible explanation for it all, and covers ToM's idea as well -- this whole mistrust of µTorrent may very well have been PeerFactor's original intent.http://www.slyck.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=269964#269964Edit: Eh this story is definitely taking its toll on the server... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saribro Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 And its still the best client, regardless.+1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vectorferret Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 even if the company is only a former anti-p2p and now changing its direction, its a sad news Or, perhaps it isn't a bad sign; luude is showing them the light. If a former anti-p2p group embraces p2p, it does more to help the p2p lobby than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user9475 Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 it's going to seriously suck if private site operators decide to ban the client over this. as the pack mentality often dictates the trends, I see it coming... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleh Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Now, if µtorrent was indeed spying on us, I'm fairly sure we'd be detecting that already, nah, I'm sure that ludde just made a bad deal, unknowingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boo Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 I hope that the contract didn't say that ludde must give them satisfing results,because if the contract didn't say that, then ludde doesn't really need to do anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimaster Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 For those of you that think hidden agendas, or rather agendas not aligned to your likings. Ie, to the paranoid, then I have something to tell you. We all stand on the same earth, we all breathe the same air and drink the same water. So, if you are really worried, you'd climb a tree, stop breathing and quit drinking. Doing that, don't forget to leave uTorrent on so we can have at your files while you are being dead.Everyone, including those of us that free software/games have the right to also write pay software/games if we so choose.I trust Ludde in his decision and I am sure that if he feels his getting the shaft from that place he'll drop it like a rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrix Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Why would Ludde sign up with them, i bet there are better offers out there for a programmer of Luddes qualities?? Strrrrange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1c3d0g Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 trimaster: you're my new hero. Thank you sooo much for saying that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaosblade Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 I really, really, REALLY, dont get the "If its not opensource, its spyware" approach. I've seen paranoid, But thats like starting your own nazi-like paranoid faction.And that's just slyck-boys. I wonder what kinda of hell would break loose if this was presented on slashd0rkz or something of that sort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultima Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 http://www.slyck.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=269971#269971lmao I addressed those people calling for the open sourcing of µTorrent just because of this incident. Someone (who deleted his post) was saying like... "most applications should be open source." My reaction (further down) was like... WTF?? (though I didn't actually write it) xDEdit: And so ludde speaks... not like his priorities weren't clear enough already (to us anyway)...Edit: lol ludde responded to the open source thing too xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubitsa Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Now, if µtorrent was indeed spying on us, I'm fairly sure we'd be detecting that already, nah, I'm sure that ludde just made a bad deal, unknowingly.Not even that. Ludde did whatever the hell he wanted because, contrary to what all the thousands of sheep seem to think, just because you use utorrent doesn't mean you own Ludde.Ludde can go work for the Dark Lord for all I care, as long as he keeps working on utorrent. He can even murder babies and I'd still use utorrent. It's not anyone's place to demand anything. 12yo kids sure enjoy getting righteous on the internet.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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